Choose a printer in the 5k-10k$ range (with duet3d ?)
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Its a toolchanger - Each Individual tool has its own wire bundle that goes back to the controller, meaning that there are quite a few loops along the back, in addition to the 9 (X-stop + Toolchanger stepper + Optical sensor) wires that are always on the gantry for the toolchanger head. All of these need to move, but the tool-specific wires need to be tucked away outside of other tools when parked.
Bed has 6 wires run to it, as well as another 5 Wires run for my Machine Vision camera+servo setup for tool offset calibration. Those also need to move, but are much more consistent and will have their own cable chains. A SSR controls flow to the AC bed.
On the bottom, I'm trying out a 24V ATX PSU - I wanted something that could easily be toggled on/off, as well as breaking out 24V and 5V for the Raspberry PI and the like. This will not be used as seperate 24v + 5v PSU's are much cleaner and simpler to support.
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Interesting.
But I thought printers with tool changers had all the wiring running to a moving part (on the X gantry) and the different tools "plugged in" to the moving part and thus all tools shared the one set of wires.
Frederick
Printers: A FT-5 with the 713 upgrade bits, a custom MarkForged style, a small Utilmaker style, a small CoreXY from kit and a E3D MS/TC setup. Various hotends. Using Duets (2 and 3) running 3.4.6
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@fcwilt said in Choose a printer in the 5k-10k$ range (with duet3d ?):
Interesting.
But I thought printers with tool changers had all the wiring running to a moving part (on the X gantry) and the different tools "plugged in" to the moving part and thus all tools shared the one set of wires.
Frederick
Sadly there is a patent on that.
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My TC design can use either of these two coupling systems (I started designing the Stablebot Core after e3d's reveal of the TC system)
https://e3d-online.com/products/toolchanger-motion-system-bundle-tools https://jubilee3d.com/index.php?title=Main_PageAside from patent issues - This makes it easier to support tools like the ASMBL, Cameras, Insert Placers, and many more tools that haven't even been created yet (I have a pellet extruder on the way!). But, it adds bulk from unique wiring per-tool. Perhaps V2 will include reliable on-gantry wire harnessing if there is a possibility of not infringing on other patents
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@dc42 said in Choose a printer in the 5k-10k$ range (with duet3d ?):
Sadly there is a patent on that.
Really? A patent on something so obvious?
Who holds the patent?
What country issued the patent? I know America is terrible about issuing patents without taking to time to research the existing technologies that may apply. You might say we issue the best patents money can buy.
Thanks.
Frederick
Printers: A FT-5 with the 713 upgrade bits, a custom MarkForged style, a small Utilmaker style, a small CoreXY from kit and a E3D MS/TC setup. Various hotends. Using Duets (2 and 3) running 3.4.6
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@fcwilt said in Choose a printer in the 5k-10k$ range (with duet3d ?):
That picture does not exactly fill me with a feeling of confidence.
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@fcwilt https://patents.google.com/patent/US8926484B1/en I'm not a patent lawyer, but I'mma avoid that one.
@Phaedrux Yep! I wish I had as much merch as them, but I'm not exactly a multi-million dollar shop.
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@Luke-sLaboratory said in Choose a printer in the 5k-10k$ range (with duet3d ?):
@fcwilt https://patents.google.com/patent/US8926484B1/en I'm not a patent lawyer, but I'mma avoid that one.
@Phaedrux Yep! I wish I had as much merch as them, but I'm not exactly a multi-million dollar shop.
Thanks.
Yes that looks like one of those patents issued by our patent office by someone who failed to do the research to see that this is an obvious thing to do and thus not deserving of a patent.
Frederick
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@fcwilt Oh, plenty of that, but I don't have the $ to play anti-patent troll.
Maybe someday.
sorry @bricoletout for occupying your thread.
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@Luke-sLaboratory said in Choose a printer in the 5k-10k$ range (with duet3d ?):
@fcwilt Oh, plenty of that, but I don't have the $ to play anti-patent troll.
Maybe someday.
sorry @bricoletout for occupying your thread.
this is a kind of occupation
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@fcwilt said in Choose a printer in the 5k-10k$ range (with duet3d ?):
Let us know what you end up purchasing.
Frederick
Yes I will, but it's a hard work to choose.
Loïc.
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@bricoletout
Just wanted to make sure you know about this printer: https://www.projectr3d.com/shop/p/daedalusIt checks all of your boxes and is ready to go!
I want one
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@timothyz said in Choose a printer in the 5k-10k$ range (with duet3d ?):
@bricoletout
Just wanted to make sure you know about this printer: https://www.projectr3d.com/shop/p/daedalusIt checks all of your boxes and is ready to go!
I want one
I will have a look thank you.
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@Luke-sLaboratory are you running 6hc+3hc with klipper ? PLEASE send me your config files !!! I can't figure out how to setup the stepper motors and I really want to give it a try
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Most industrial printers will be available on rental basis, installation and support included. Some even offer help with slicing.
Most industrial printer will have their own filament and you will have to buy it from them; it is where they are making their money.
If you only want to prototype (3d printers arent good for production anyway) you should be good to go with a lower stratasys but you will be stock with their filament either way. The "open source" type printers will be much cheaper and let you use wathever you want as filament but are unstable.. just get good out of the box printers and buy twice as much so you always have backups. -
I only have a mini5+ currently running Klipper. I'm working on proper ports for the 6HC + 3HC, and haven't started CAN modules for these boards whatsoever. The 6HC + 3HC should be pretty easy ports, all things considered, but I'm not a microcontroller programmer. I'll be posting a build in here (and on my website) using the D3 Mini 5+ hopefully this weekend (just started assembly last night)
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@Luke-sLaboratory same here, I design printers and parts but Im not a programmer.. ill take a look at your mini when its gona be public as I think they use the same chip so it might be a good start.
Yet I havent found anyone who installed klippers on 6hc/3hc..
