Pressure Advance Calibration

garyd9

@digitalvision I just wanted to post a quick reply thanking you for this script. I wanted to try out pressure advance, but really had no clue whatsoever how to start calibrating it. With this script (and illustrated instructions), I was able to find that my direct drive titan extruder + e3dV6 benefits from a pressure advance setting of 0.09.

I thought that the number was a bit high for a V6 attached to the titan extruder (via a precision piezo orion), but I have to admit that the resulting improvement is easily visible.

thank you!

Edgars Batna

Also found out about this script a few days ago and, man, was I wrong about the values I used. Turned out my Bowden setup runs best at 0.85, whereas I was using 0.2.

Rightly noted that under-extrusion should be compensated by nonlinear extrusion, not presure advance. These two features in combination doubled my print speeds while keeping the quality.

briskspirit

How should I choose min and max speed for calibration script? Max speed is the overal speed(70mm/s for me) or outline speed? (42mm/s). Min speed correlates with jerk speed or ..? Thanks!

gnydick

Where is the link to the pressure advance test file?

briskspirit

@gnydick https://forum.duet3d.com/assets/uploads/files/1535998759071-advance_cal.py.txt

gnydick

How do I read this result?

wilriker

@gnydick I would say that the range of PA values you used is still too low because it looks like none of the layers is continuously one thickness.

gnydick

@wilriker ok, thanks. Strange I need so much. I have a direct extruder with zero slack.

JamesM

How do you run the pressure advance test file? I see it's in python..Does it work similar to the linear advance website Marlin has where we can change the settings and it creates a .gcode file?

gnydick

@jamesm

It's nearly identical. Instead of building up vertically, the linear advance creates a single extrusion on the bed for each setting and labels it.

You have to run the python program to generate the output.

JamesM

@gnydick I just figured out how to run it. I changed the filament settings in the file before running it which I expect has to be done. I guess just edit the gcode to set the print temperature and turn on relative extrusion?

briskspirit

Will ask again... How should I choose min and max speed for calibration script? Max speed is the overal speed(70mm/s for me) or outline speed? (42mm/s). Min speed correlates with jerk speed or ..? Thanks!

Edgars Batna

@briskspirit I'd simply go with minimum and maximum speed that I'd ever use on the printer. It's not so much about speed as pressure management in extruder. I ran the script at 60-120 first and 30-200 later once basic kinks were ironed out. The speed difference should be enough to cause significant pressure differences.

Cartola

Hi, I've been reading this thread for a long time and I noticed that a lot of people, like me, are having problems to identify the best PA in their tests. So I tried to create a similar script that tries to give clearer results. I am no sure if I achieved my goal , but I decided to share it anyway: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3442071

All the instructions are in the Thingverse link.

Here is one of my prints using PA from 0 to 3. Yeah, I need to use really high values. I didn't completely understood why but my Capricorn (original) bowden tube is big, so maybe I need to shorten it.

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tenjin

i tried to print this, and nothing came out...

rs4race

I want to share some of my experience tuning pressure advance. It was mentioned that you will need to recalibrate retraction.

I'm using a bowden tube setup and at higher speeds (100mm/s) I was missing material at the start of extrusion. Increasing prime amount would fix the higher speed problems but leave blobs at lower speeds (25mm/s). To resolve this I had to reduce the retraction distance. I ended up with retractions similar to a direct drive and no extra prime amount. I ended up with the following retract and pressure advance settings:

M207 S2.0 R0.0 F3600 T600
M572 D0 S0.3

This is with the following setup:
E3D Volcano, 0.4mm nozzle
550mm Capricorn XS Bowden tube
Bondtech QR Extruder
1.75mm Amazon Basics PETG

Extruder config settings per request: (these are not necessarily limits of the extruder)

M350 E32:32 ;microstepping
M92 E953:953 ;steps/mm
M906 E900:900 ;motor currents
M201 E1000:1000 ;accelerations
M203 E3600:3600 ;maximum speed
M566 E900:900 ;maximum jerk speed

Before Tuning these settings I was printing slower (50mm/s) with 6.5mm retraction distance.

dc42

@rs4race said in Pressure Advance Calibration:

I want to share some of my experience tuning pressure advance. It was mentioned that you will need to recalibrate retraction.

I'm using a bowden tube setup and at higher speeds (100mm/s) I was missing material at the start of extrusion. Increasing prime amount would fix the higher speed problems but leave blobs at lower speeds (25mm/s). To resolve this I had to reduce the retraction distance. I ended up with retractions similar to a direct drive and no extra prime amount. I ended up with the following retract and pressure advance settings:

M207 S2.0 R0.0 F3600 T600
M572 D0 S0.3

This is with the following setup:
E3D Volcano, 0.4mm nozzle
550mm Capricorn XS Bowden tube
Bondtech QR Extruder
1.75mm Amazon Basics PETG

Before Tuning these settings I was printing slower (50mm/s) with 6.5mm retraction distance.

Thanks for sharing this.

OBELIKS

@rs4race Could you also post your speed, jerk and accelleration settings for the extruder?

jtroutt19

When running the python script changing the center of bed to 110,110

This is a little snippet of the code it produces. Obviously X is off the charts. What am I doing wrong. Using python 3.7

G1 X3853.750 Y126.800 E0.2910 F4200
G1 X3858.750 Y126.800 E0.1663 F300
G1 X3867.500 Y126.800 E0.2910 F4200
G1 X3876.250 Y126.800 E0.2910 F4200
G1 X3881.250 Y126.800 E0.1663 F300
G1 X3890.000 Y126.800 E0.2910 F4200
G1 X3898.750 Y126.800 E0.2910 F4200
G1 X3903.750 Y126.800 E0.1663 F300
G1 X3912.500 Y126.800 E0.2910 F4200
G1 X3921.250 Y126.800 E0.2910 F4200
G1 X3926.250 Y126.800 E0.1663 F300
G1 X3935.000 Y126.800 E0.2910 F4200
G1 X3935.000 Y127.200 E0.0133 F4200

I should note that python is giving me Indentation errors.

Jarery

Im still quite a newbie in this realm and i guess the amount of variables are getting to me

Backstory is I have a zesty nimble, which worked amazing but had 2 issues I cannot solve

Ripples in the surface finish - Company is still working on a fix
blobs at the end of a layer creating terrible Z seam scars

Tried all the ideas such as coast and wipe, but they have their own issues such as only available in some slicers, cannot be used with firmware retraction, etc.

Pressure advance by the sounds of it should eliminate the blobs at end of layer, but any attempt to use PA with a nimble due to its required low jerk values caused my prints to slow to about 3x the time. Was painful to watch.
Although, with the nimble I was able to get a great calibration part from the above enclosed script.

0_1555794438938_Nimble PA 1.jpg

With the nimble, the calibration part has easily discernible reversing thick areas, and one can find the "best" setting of 0.12, but pressure advance was unusable for me in combination with the nimble.

So I order a Bondtech BMG and use a capricorn bowden tube of about 650mm paired with an E3D 0.9 degree stepper.

Now i get the Esteps all setup at E808, run some retraction calibration parts, and i still get blobs due to pressure at the end of a layer.
Run the above scripts on a Pressure Advance test and..... The results do not make sense to me.

0_1555794869096_BMG PA 1.jpg

Before the extruded line ever gets to an optimal state, the extrusion is messed up. It gets to the point where nothing is coming out of the nozzle at all. I was at 5-100 print speed so ran again at 20-80 which is the speeds I actually print at (E3D volcano, 0.6mm X nozzle)
And again the part never gets to the optimal PA value without the PA settings making the filament retract so much it doesn't print.

What am i doing wrong? Any suggestions?

Duet Wifi, Smart Effector, newest firmware, Delta printer based smilar to DC42's large kossel

Config is as follows :
M350 X16 Y16 Z16 E16 I1 ; Configure microstepping with interpolation
M92 X200 Y200 Z200 E808; Set steps per mm original
M566 X1200 Y1200 Z1200 E2000 ; Set maximum instantaneous speed changes (mm/min)
M203 X18000 Y18000 Z18000 E3600 ; Set maximum speeds (mm/min)
M201 X1000 Y1000 Z1000 E3000 ; Set accelerations (mm/s^2)
M906 X1000 Y1000 Z1000 E900 I30 ; Set motor currents (mA) and motor idle factor in per cent