Does M574 S4 work ?
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I have 3 Z axis steppers, CoreXY, I have stallguard working as an endstop - well I thought I did - on initialization to ensure steppers are in synch I drive the bed all the way to the bottom of the frame where each stepper has a hard stop and where the bed is mechanically as level as I can get it.
The problem arises when I deliberately put the steppers out of synch - to tilt the bed basically.
When I drive the steppers to the bottom all three motors stop on the first motor that contacts the hard stop - this is not the behaviour I require - I need the other two to keep going until they themselves stall.
To this end I used M574 Z2 S4, Z2 because the stall is at the prints highest point (as in 330mm not 0), s4 is supposed to stall each motor individually.
M574 docu states
- New endstop type S4 means use motor stall detection (like S3) but if there are multiple motors, stop each one individually as it stalls.
It does not do this - it stops all three motors when the first stalls.
I read a section referred to that describes splitting up the Z steppers into single channels but that doc states that it does not apply to RRF3 in the introduction
somebody care to verify the definition for this
; Configuration file for Duet 3 (firmware version 3) ; executed by the firmware on start-up ; ; generated by RepRapFirmware Configuration Tool v2.1.4 on Mon Dec 30 2019 11:11:59 GMT+0000 (Greenwich Mean Time) ; General preferences G90 ; send absolute coordinates... M83 ; ...but relative extruder moves M550 P"Duet 3" ; set printer name M669 K1 ; select CoreXY mode ; Drives M569 P0.0 S0 ; physical drive 0.0 goes forwards X M569 P0.1 S0 ; physical drive 0.1 goes forwards Y M569 P0.2 S1 ; physical drive 0.2 goes forwards E M569 P0.3 S1 ; physical drive 0.3 goes Forwards Z1 M569 P0.4 S1 ; physical drive 0.4 goes Forwards Z2 M569 P0.5 S1 ; physical drive 0.5 goes Forwards Z3 M584 X0 Y1 Z3:4:5 E2 P3 ; set drive mapping M350 X16 Y16 Z16 E16 I1 ; configure microstepping with interpolation M92 X160.00 Y160.00 Z1600.00 E409.00 ; set steps per mm M566 X90.00 Y90.00 Z12.00 E120.00 ; set maximum instantaneous speed changes (mm/min) M203 X4800.00 Y4800.00 Z1480.00 E120.00 ; set maximum speeds (mm/min) M201 X100.00 Y100.00 Z20.00 E250.00 ; set accelerations (mm/s^2) M906 X1680 Y1680 Z1330 E1330 I30 ; set motor currents (mA) and motor idle factor in per cent M84 S30 ; Set idle timeout ; Axis Limits M208 X-157:162 Y-157:149 Z0:3330 ; set axis Min / Max M671 X-188.7:10:199 Y-127:199:-127 S10 ; Set Bed Pivot Locations ; Extruder / Hot end M308 S0 P"spi.cs0" Y" rtd-max31865" A"Hot End" ; configure sensor 0 as a PT100 on Port 1 of temperature daughter board M950 H0 C"out1" T0 ; create nozzle heater output on out2 and map it to sensor 1 M143 H0 S320 ; set temperature limit for heater 1 to 320C M307 H0 B0 S1.00 ; disable bang-bang mode for the nozzle heater and set PWM limit M563 P0 S"Extruder" D0 H0 F1 ; define tool 0 G10 P0 X0 Y0 Z0 ; set tool 0 axis offsets G10 P0 R0 S0 ; set initial tool 0 active and standby temperatures to 0C M950 F0 C"out7" Q500 A"Part Cool" ; set part cooling fan output M106 P0 H-1 ; Thermostatic control is turned off M950 F1 C"out8" Q500 A"Extruder" ; set hot end cooling fan output M106 P1 H0 T45 ; Thermostatic control is turned on, enables at 45C ; Bed M308 S1 P"temp0" Y"thermistor" A"Bed" T100000 B4725 C7.06e-8 ; configure sensor 1 as thermistor on pin temp0 M950 H1 C"out2" T1 Q10 ; create bed heater output on out1 and map it to sensor 1 M143 H1 S120 ; set temperature limit for heater 0 to 120C M307 H1 B0 S0.5 ; disable bang-bang mode for the bed heater and set PWM limit M140 H1 ; map heated bed to heater 0 ; MCU M308 S2 Y"mcu-temp" A"CPU" M950 F2 C"!out4" A"MCU" Q25000 L.07 M106 P2 T40:44 H2 ; set Duet cooling fan ; Pinda Probe M308 S3 P"temp1" Y"thermistor" T100000 A"Pinda" B4725 C7.06e-8 ; configure sensor as thermistor on pin temp1 M558 P5 C"!io6.in" H2 A3 F120 T2000 ; set Z probe type to switch filtered G31 P1 X-39 Y-31.5 Z2.0 C0.2 S40 H2 ; set Z probe trigger, offset, trigger height, temperature compensation ; Spare Sensor ; M308 S4 P"spi.cs1" Y" rtd-max31865" A"Spare" ; configure sensor 4 as a PT100 on Port 2 of temperature daughter board ; Filament Detection M591 D0 P3 C"io5.in" S1 R70:130 L24.8 E3.0 ;Duet3D rotating magnet sensor for extruder drive 0 is connected to I/O 5 input, ; enabled, sensitivity 24.8mm.rev, 70% to 130% tolerance, 3mm detection length ; Endstops M574 X1 S1 P"!io0.in" ; configure active-hi endstop for low end on X via pin io0.in M574 Y1 S1 P"!io1.in" ; configure active-hi endstop for low end on Y via pin io1.in M574 Z2 S4 ; configure stall current detect endstop for Z M915 P3:4:5 S3 F0 H400 R0 ; M915 P3 S3 F0 H400 R0 ; M915 P4 S3 F0 H400 R0 ; M915 P5 S3 F0 H400 R0 ; define mesh grid ; LED Enable Relay M950 F3 C"out9" A"Led Relay" ; set its name ; PINDA - Z-Probe G31 X-20 Y0 ; Miscellaneous M501 ; load saved parameters from non-volatile memory M911 S10 R11 P"M913 X0 Y0 G91 M83 G1 Z3 E-5 F1000" ; set voltage thresholds and actions to run on power loss -
Version of RRF3?
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Current version is RC2
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After trying numerous different ways to define my Z axis and in the absence of other input I can only conclude that the S4 when applied to a single axis with multiple motors doesn't work.
Currently I have no choice but to manually drive the Z axis manually and disable stall detection on it.
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I wonder if this one works now? I encountered a similar problem with S4 command on my triple motor Z axis bed.
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@astrn said in Does M574 S4 work ?:
I wonder if this one works now? I encountered a similar problem with S4 command on my triple motor Z axis bed.
What firmware version are you running?
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What board do you have? It's labeled as Duet 3 but you're still running RRF2? Regardless you should upgrade to at least the stable branch of RRF 3.1.1
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I'd forgotten about this one entirely - well almost entirely- I've never had to mechanically zero things since so it has become something of a none issue. The three axis bed leveling works extremely well, so much so that I've never needed to.
I'm reluctant to list my config because my machine and yours may have very little in common but it is here config.g
What I would like is a live Z similar to Prusa because I'm really fighting with 1st layers at the moment - but only with PETG ... I'm still trying to figure this out - I can print PETG flawlessly on the MK3S my coreXY won't play ball.
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@Garfield said in Does M574 S4 work ?:
What I would like is a live Z similar to Prusa
Do you mean babystepping?
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Not entirely, we have the babysteps but once it is established some way to commit the adjustment to permanent storage - a permanent Z offset so that I don't need to mess around in the slicer and can send to either printer. I currently have a Fusion360 drawing I use that is essentially just a series of lines, I have one that is a series of squares all 1 layer in height, partly visual and also measured.
Problem with materials like PET-G is avoiding nozzle pickup / contamination and getting a good lay down of the 1st layer. If you apply an offset as recommended with PETG i.e. -.2mm 'printing in air' the first layer flat out doesn't work, if you lay down at the prescribed layer height i.e. 0.15 the filament builds up on the nozzle. if you babystep in 0.02 increments you can prevent the filament build up but then a 0.2mm layer becomes 0.26.
Once I've baby stepped to a level that works I'd like to store it as a permanent offset in the machine against the currently loaded filament so that I don't need to mess around in the slicer.
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but you can just add
G31 Z<new offset>
to your filament config.is that not what you want?
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No that isn't what I require. I do not want to interfere with the trigger height.
I want to add a permanent offset to printed Z co-ordinates, basically if I print a layer height of 0.15 I need the head to be at 0.23. Yes I can set this in the slicer, no I don't want to so that I have a minimum number of adjustment needed to send to any of my printers.
My trigger height and the machine are 100% accurate, verified with feeler gauges, I do not want to mess with those, I could theoretically adjust the trigger height but then it isn't as intuitive as simply applying an offset + or -
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ok then just set the babystepping in the filament config
https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Gcode#Section_M290_Baby_stepping
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This isn't the same thing - I don't want to adjust the babystep increment - if I run a test where I use babysteps to get things to where I need them I then need an option via 'M500' or something to set the established co-ordinate offset - this needs to happen with the printer running.
Run test print, babystep until settings are where you require 'save' - this is no different to setting a zero point on a lathe or CNC with an edge finder - you don't need to mess with the machines base configuration and it becomes 'per filament' without the need to manually edit files. It could be done as an adjustment to the trigger height but I think it more intuitive if it just offsets the Z co-ordinate.
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@Garfield said in Does M574 S4 work ?:
becomes 'per filament'
yes use the filament config as i said.
https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Filaments -
Aware of but that isn't what I'm asking for ..
Consider
G31 P1 X-21 Y0 Z0.868 C0.002 S29 H3
This shows the trigger height for 'normal' - and it is really the trigger height, if I move Z -0.868 the nozzle tip touches the bed 'just'. Thus Z0 really is 0.
To use G31 P1 X-21 Y0 Z0.768 C0.002 S29 H3 will provide a +0.1 offset - but it is a fake and any baby stepping isn't really working around 0 it is based off a fake zero and Z0 is actually 0.1 which is fine.
If I set this to G31 P1 X-21 Y0 Z0.968 C0.002 S29 H3 then Z0 is actually -0.1 which is below the bed surface - the machine will be able to violate the bed surface - I've no intention of destroying any more beds because of this. My Z0 because of the machine architecture cannot be a 'hard' stop.
Just hypothetical of course - trying to explain why I want an offset from Z - I don't want to confuse the machine with regards where absolute 0 really is 'Z0' will be below the bed surface with the last G31 line. If I screw around with babystepping with a false trigger point I could create the same problem.
My Z0 needs to remain a rigid boundary to protect the machine from my stupidity. I need an offset that maintains Z0 integrity.
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so additionally set the M208 Z0.1 S1 in this case.
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Agreed but do you see where this is going - now you have two settings to deal with.
None of which can be updated with a simple command post babystepping - there is no OK I'm happy with that save the results and apply permanently - M500 type stuff. M500 stores in the config-override and not against the currently loaded filament.
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@astrn said in Does M574 S4 work ?:
I wonder if this one works now? I encountered a similar problem with S4 command on my triple motor Z axis bed.
I have tested M574 X1 S4 on a Duet WiFi with 3 X motors connected, and it is working as intended.
