Duet3 with PINDA 2 probe setup

Xavier

I have been scouring the forum for any advice on using the PINDA 2 probe (with thermistor) with the Duet3, it seems that there are some use cases with previous duet boards but I can't find much regardingthe Duet3. I know that RRF3 supports the use of z probes with thermistor, but I was hoping someone could give advice on wiring and configuration.

Can the IO pins deal with probing and thermistor data, or do I need to spit the wiring into two headers, probing into IO pins and separate thermistor wiring into the temp pins? Do I then need to use M308 to configure a sensor that uses the thermistor, then specify that sensor to provide the temperature compensation in G31?

Thanks!
Xavier

dc42

@Xavier said in Duet3 with PINDA 2 probe setup:

... or do I need to spit the wiring into two headers, probing into IO pins and separate thermistor wiring into the temp pins? Do I then need to use M308 to configure a sensor that uses the thermistor, then specify that sensor to provide the temperature compensation in G31?

Yes to all of that.

Xavier

Ok great thanks, one last question, as the ground pin for the probe is already grounded, will I be good to go if I just put the white temp cable into the temp pin, or do I need to duplicate the ground cable to ground via both connectors?

Phaedrux

@Xavier Did you ever determine the grounding requirement?

Can you share your final wiring and configuration?

kb58

@phaedrux Though this is an old thread, it still seems relevant since presumably more people are now running Duet3 boards:

I understand that the thermistor is intended to compensate for the trigger height that varies over temperature. Has anyone calculated the height compensation coefficients? Even with that done, how is the result applied to the sensed height? AFAIK, the sensor output is open collector, so it's something of an "all or nothing" output. If so, how can this 0/1 output be adjusted in any way? Hoping to hear otherwise!

kb58

@kb58 Some work has happened in this thread, https://forum.duet3d.com/topic/16972/pinda-2-probe-with-temperature-compensation/5?_=1593546022132

But it ends with it being unclear whether it works when it's all said and done.

I wonder if a roundabout way to accomplish the same thing is to use bed temperature, coupled with plotting how the reported height varies over temperature. Like I said though, I'm not sure how to apply the value to the sensed height... unless the open collector output is actually analog.

Of course, the question has to asked: is the temperature-dependent height trigger variations enough to make it worth doing? Does anyone know what the variation is?

oliof

@kb58 considering there are now higher-frequency sensing probes (that's what superPINDA and all the unbranded variants are) that do away with temperature compensation because it's not required anymore, I would say it's not worth it.

martin7404

I went from pinda2 to superpinda on my CoreXY machine , printing 24/7 almost 4 weeks now with long 24 h+ prints, enclosed about 55 deg C inside , not a single hiccup

kb58

@martin7404 Where are you guys finding the superPinda sensors? Searching on the term only turned up one UK vendor, and Pinda themselves, who only sell to registered owners.

Guess I'll check around for off brand alternatives, looking for ones without the white thermistor wire.

martin7404

@kb58 i have mk3
You can ask somebody in UK with mk3 to order it for you. Or just ask prusa

aniron

@kb58 Prusa sells the SuperPINDA as an upgrade kit for the Prusa Mini. You don't need have a Prusa mini purchase on your account in order to purchase the upgrade kit.

https://shop.prusa3d.com/en/original-prusa-mini/1399-original-prusa-mini-to-mini-upgrade-kit.html

kb58

@aniron Okay, good to hear, this should help out others. For me however, I discovered that inductive-type probes are affected by beds with magnets in them, which seems to confuse the sensor slightly and produces errors. I changed over a BLTouch and suddenly the "lumpy" bed became very flat!

aniron

@kb58 hmm, just how lumpy did your bed get due to magnets?

I've seen some extreme cases online like the one below, but have never experience anything akin to that on my own printer using the prusa 12V bed. Perhaps I have been proving sparsely enough that by luck I have missed the hotspots.

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kb58

@aniron Right, it depends where the probe ends up relative to the magnet. In the worst places, it was reporting "lumps" of up to about one millimeter. I finally figured out what was going on when the magnetic sheet was pulled off to see where the probe was, and it was right over one magnet when reporting the worst problem. After being replaced with a BLTouch, the "uneven" bed became really flat.

Like you said though, as long as the probe is kept away from magnets, it'll avoid the worst of the problems, so it's probably fine then.