Stall Guard

Phaedrux

What are your steps per MM on X and Y? How fast are you printing when you try to stall it?

BlueDust

Steps per mm, is 160. Speed depends on the movement. I have it set to 100mms but its not going that fast because of the short moves on the current print. I don't remember the speed it was moving when I was testing this out. How fast should it go? I know it can't be slow, but not sure what speed slow is.

Thanks

dc42

The H400 parameter in your M915 means that stall detection is disabled below 400 full steps per second. Your steps/mm is 160, so assuming you have microstepping set to x16, that's 10 full steps/mm. Therefore stall detection will kick in above 400/10 = 40mm/sec.

BlueDust

@dc42

I misunderstood what H was for. I thought it needed to match the steppers .9 degree.... I assumed it could be adjusted for finer calibration, but didn't know it was used like that. I will test this again shortly.

Thanks!

dc42

@BlueDust, at low speeds stall detection gets less reliable and more sensitive to temperature. That's why the H parameter exists. You can try reducing it, but that may result in false stall warnings, especially when the motors get hot.

BlueDust

@dc42
Right now I am still not getting anything to happen. It cannot detect any stalls. I can hold the belts so the carriage doesn't move and nothing happens. So if I can get it to be too sensitive and at least see something work, I would be seeing some progress.

I am trying this right now.... I am just changing these settings live during a print a small amount at a time to see if it does anything. So far it runs the rehome.g file when I update the M915.
M915 X Y S-10 F0 H200 R3

But 10 minutes ago, I have this.
M915 X Y S-10 F0 H100 R3

Appears minimum speed the Duet is showing is 25mms, but going up to 100mms during this print.

Is there any other config I can show you that would help troubleshoot this?
M92 X160 Y160 Z800 E834.377
M566 X500 Y500 Z2 E1000
M201 X1000 Y1000 Z250 E2400
M203 X9000 Y9000 Z800 E800
M906 X1000 Y1000 Z1600 E1000 I30

M574 X1 Y1 S3

BlueDust

@dc42
I also wanted to add that when I hold the belts, they do not skip. The motors themselves are skipping/shaking.

Also to compare it... This is my rehome file. Same any my homeall minus the Z axis, and it works.

M913 Y60 X60             		; reduce motor current to 60% to prevent belts slipping

M915 X Y S3 R0 F0 H400			; X sensitivity to 5, do nothing when stall, unfiltered

G91                     ; relative positioning
G1 Z5 F6000 S2          ; lift Z relative to current position

G1 H1 Y-305 F5000       ; home Y axis
G1 H1 X-305 F5000	; home X axis

G1 X20 Y20 F6000  

G1 H1 Y-305 F5000       ; home Y axis
G1 H1 X-305 F5000	; home X axis

G1 X1 Y1 F6000          ; go back a few mm
G92 X0 Y0

G90
M913 Y100 X100      	; motor currents back to normal

BlueDust

I feel like there is something I am missing to actually enable the feature during a print.
This doesn't do anything.

M915 X Y S-64 F0 H0 R3

Do I have to put the M915 in the config.g file, or can I run a script to enable it like I do with all of the homing config files? I ask because I am just sending the M915 command to the printer while testing this out. It is not in the config.g file. I feel like if it is in there, it will be overridden after I home the printer and become irrelevant. SO if I am just implementing this command in the wrong place, that is why it is not working.

Phaedrux

I'm guess H0 isinvalid and it's using the default instead. Try H50? Possibly the same with F0? I don't have the wiki open on my phone ATM.

I don't think there is anything wrong with sending it whenever you want. Nothing really needs to be in config.g.

BlueDust

@Phaedrux
I am just more confused now...
I have tried H50 already. I just went to the extreme with 0. I already use F0 for sensorless homing. It should just make it more sensitive at sharp movements and F1 should be used during normal printing.
I am just trying to get it to work during a print and just trip once so I have some proof this feature works. It currently doesn't make any sense to me why it works for homing and I can't get it to work during a print. I must have some other setting enabled/disabled that is affecting it.

Phaedrux

Is this on I duet wifi? Or maestro?

BlueDust

@Phaedrux

Duet2 Ethernet

Phaedrux

12v or 24v?

BlueDust

@Phaedrux
24v

BlueDust

I don't know if this is actually relevant, but I also read that this Stall Guard may need some fine tuning pointing to this formula sheet.
I filled it out best to my understanding, but do not know how to use it.

Phaedrux

Do you have a link to that sheet?

Phaedrux

Have you tried getting it to detect a stall on a pure diagonal move to isolate just a single motor?

BlueDust

@Phaedrux
There is a link on the Sensorless homing wiki page that takes you to another page to talk about motors. This site has a link to download the calculation sheet I shared the screen shot of.

https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Choosing_and_connecting_stepper_motors

BlueDust

@Phaedrux
I just printed a large print with long movements and held the belts still.

I can try printing a large calibration cube and see what happens.
Thanks.

dc42

@BlueDust said in Stall Guard:

M915 X Y S-10 F0 H200 R3

With S-10 I would expect the motor to register stalled nearly all the time. You can check by sending M122 during a print and looking at the driver status.

On my delta I have M915 set to warn about motor stalls. Using the same M915 settings as when I test sensorless homing on that machine, I get occasional (false) warnings. So I know that it is working at least some of the time.