Laser filament monitor
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Hi David, I'd say yes it would be acceptable to just monitor extrusion, it's a lack of (or excess of) extrusion that counts. This also simplifies which presumably improves accuracy.
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Yeah I would agree
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Oh, interesting. Is there a possibility that focus or intensity needs to be adjusted? Perhaps even for each different filament colour?
Perhaps the laser monitor could read a pattern on the circumference of a hobbed wheel that is idling against the filament – or perhaps even just the grain of the metal of the hobbed wheel would track better than the surface of filament.
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I tried a similar print with retraction disabled, although I still had pressure advance set at 0.2 so I could still see frequent backward movement of the filament. The calibration tolerance reduced to +27 -26%. That's much more manageable, not only lower but more symmetrical too.
If the sensor works at least as well with all other filament colours and materials including transparent, and ignoring retractions and re-prime movements works is feasible and works, I think we will be able to go ahead with this design.
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@bot:
Oh, interesting. Is there a possibility that focus or intensity needs to be adjusted? Perhaps even for each different filament colour?
There is no focus or power adjustment, although the reflected intensity can be read. We might be able to use that to increase the tolerance automatically when the reflected intensity is low.
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Perhaps the laser monitor could read a pattern on the circumference of a hobbed wheel that is idling against the filament – or perhaps even just the grain of the metal of the hobbed wheel would track better than the surface of filament.
If we did that, we would lose the benefit of mechanical simplicity of this design over the previous rotating magnet design.
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@bot:
Perhaps the laser monitor could read a pattern on the circumference of a hobbed wheel that is idling against the filament – or perhaps even just the grain of the metal of the hobbed wheel would track better than the surface of filament.
If we did that, we would lose the benefit of mechanical simplicity of this design over the previous rotating magnet design.
Yes, that's true.
How was the accuracy of the magnet based sensor? I would be willing to forgo a bit of simplicity if the accuracy was dramatically improved.
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I thought the basic idea was sound, the hobbled wheel gripped the filament and turned reliably, it was the variable nature of the 3d printed casings holding it all together, which allowed the magnet attached to the hobbed shaft, to move away from the sensor chip that let it down, and I've a pretty accurate printer to make them with. An injection moulded or machined casing would have made a big difference and dropping monitoring of retractions, but it was still a clunky solution compared to a tiny pcb which could easily be built into an extruder if it works better.
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I found the accuracy of the magnet based sensor was around 20% after calibration. It is limited by the need to use a low data rate to the Duet (1000bps) because of the filtering capacitors in the Duet endstop circuits.
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@bot:
Is there an LED illuminating the filament for the sensor?
Not an LED, a tiny diode laser.
I took @bot's question to be a suggestion that perhaps the addition of a tiny LED to the PCB might supply additional light that would (perhaps) assist with the sensing.
(Out of my league here - but if by chance that is a useful suggestion - just wanted to call it out).
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@bot:
Is there an LED illuminating the filament for the sensor?
Not an LED, a tiny diode laser.
I took @bot's question to be a suggestion that perhaps the addition of a tiny LED to the PCB might supply additional light that would (perhaps) assist with the sensing.
(Out of my league here - but if my chance that is a useful suggestion - just wanted to call it out).
Oh, I wasn't really suggesting anything, just asking out of curiousity – I forgot that it was called a "laser" filament monitor.
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Not a production line yet, but a start.
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Looks nice,
what are the production costs for such a small batch? -
Looks nice,
what are the production costs for such a small batch?I assembled them by hand. So if I charged my normal consultancy rate for assembling them, the production costs would be very high!
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I see 5 in the Pic. Just the number that I'd need for my 5 colour printer.
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Can't wait till these are done! Tired of large prints failing due to filament errors…
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Yeas also waiting on them to hit production so that I can install one this would be much easier to fit with the Nimble than the rotary one?
Doug
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Me too - after I found that my old own-design ones are not compatible with the Duet. These look a great alternative!
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Hi, I'm new here
I have a Duet Ethernet and accessories ready to be installed, but am still working on a new printer in which to use it, so no actual experience yet with this no doubt amazing controller.
I will definitely want to install a filament monitor, and the laser option seems like a very elegant approach. I already have a simple switch installed at the far end of the tube, to set off an alarm in case the filament runs out, and another closer to the extruder that stops the print if no new filament has been loaded. However, stop of movement due to a blocked nozzle is a bigger concern.
My reason for this post is a question related to complexity of the filament monitor; What is the added value of monitoring retraction and re-priming?
Both are fast-moving actions and unlikely to cause a blockage. If there is a stop of movement, I believe it would have happened already during normal feeding of the filament. I find it highly unlikely that retract/re-prime will trigger an alarm before normal movement and, even if it does, normal movement alarm will immediately follow. Am I overlooking something?
Another question; I would like to keep my simple switch as it is easier for me to resupply filament before it hits the extruder. Can a simple switch work in parallel with the filament monitor on a single end-stop port?
Thank you for all of your hard work. It is not the cheapest solution, but one that is extremely well supported and that makes all the difference.
Michael
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Hi @dansker61, welcome to the forum.
I agree with you, as long as the retraction speed and acceleration have been set to values that the extruder can manage, I don't think it should be necessary to monitor retractions and re-prime moves.
Both filament monitor designs have an option to connect a switch to monitor presence of filament. The switch should be closed when filament is present.
