BL Touch Installation what is Servo Pin?

SignPostMan

@fcwilt will try in the morning, thanks for your help

Phaedrux

@signpostman said in BL Touch Installation what is Servo Pin?:

I have the Z Endstop still mounted to the z axis. and the BL Touch is wired but setting on the bench. If I ask the machine to Home Z, The Z axis will lower and touch, triggering the endstop, then stop moving. if I then trigger the BL Touch, the Z Axis will descend again and trigger the Z Endstop again.

Does this give any clues of the issue?
; homez.g
; called to home the Z axis
;
; generated by RepRapFirmware Configuration Tool v3.3.0 on Sat Aug 21 2021 12:06:11 GMT-0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
G91               ; relative positioning
G1 H2 Z10 F6000   ; lift Z relative to current position
G1 H1 Z-309 F2500 ; move Z down until the endstop is triggered
G1 H2 Z5 F6000    ; go back a few mm
G1 H1 Z-20Y F180  ; move slowly to Z axis endstops once more (second pass)

;G92 Z0            ; set Z position to axis minimum (you may want to adjust this)

G30 ; probe bed

; Uncomment the following lines to lift Z after probing
G91              ; relative positioning
G1 Z20 F2500      ; lift Z relative to current position
G90              ; absolute positioning

G1 H1 Z-309 F2500 ; move Z down until the endstop is triggered
G1 H2 Z5 F6000 ; go back a few mm
G1 H1 Z-20Y F180 ; move slowly to Z axis endstops once more (second pass)

;G92 Z0 ; set Z position to axis minimum (you may want to adjust this)
{1}
G30 ; probe bed

It's homing using the endstop with G1 H1 Z moves, and then it's got a G30 command at the end to use the probe.

There are a few ways that you could handle using both the endstop and the probe.

One way would be to use the Z endstop as the Z max as mentioned bofore. To do that you'd have to change M574 Z2 S1 P"whatever it is". Then you would need a macro to actually do the homing move. You could call it homezmax.g and in it you'd need a G1 H1 Z move in the positive direction to move to the endstop.

You could also make your homez.g macro (called by G28 Z) do that and use the homeall.g macro (called by G28) to use the probe instead.

Or leave the endstop as it is at z min, and have G28/homeall.g use just the endstops and then dedicated homez.g to using the probe.

The BLTouch will need to be mounted to actually be used and tested. Having it on the bench is going to lead to a crash.

SignPostMan

@phaedrux I now have the BL Touch on the printer. I am testing by Homing the X&Y independently. I then move to the middle of the bed and send a G30 command to isolate the issue. The Z will lower until the probe touches. It will the inconsistently retract and my probe display console will read 0, but most of the time the Z it will continue down and the probe attempts to extend hitting the bed before it fully extends. I will either E Stop or the Z probe will get a 1000 in the display console.

fcwilt

@signpostman said in BL Touch Installation what is Servo Pin?:

I'm having trouble understanding what you are describing.

Keep in mind that when a M401 command extends the probe tip, the retraction of the probe tip, when touched, is handled by the probe and the probe tip immediately extends again.

When executing a G30 command there follows a M401 command which extends the probe tip. When the probe tip is touched it retracts sending a signal to the firmware. If the signal is seen by the firmware there follows a M402 command which retracts the probe tip, it stays retracted and then movement stops. If the signal is NOT seen by the firmware the probe tip will extend again but the movement will not stop.

I would like you to do this:

change the A parameter in the M558 command to A1
move the bed well clear of the probe so you can easily reach in and touch the probe tip. Move the probe to the front of the bed if needed
execute a G30 command
determine if bed movement starts
touch the probe tip
determine if bed movement stops
if it does not stop and the probe tip has extended touch it again
determine if bed movement stops

I'm guessing here but I think the firmware is not consistently seeing the signal from the probe. The above is to try and determine is that is the case.

Repeat the test several times starting with step 2 where you move the bed well clear of the probe.

Frederick

Phaedrux

Can you post your full config.g as it is now along with your current homing files so we can see what your settings are?

SignPostMan

@fcwilt I set the A to 1, the Max Taps was 1.
The method your describing is what I have done, I must touch it multiple time (different number each time. I even change the S Parameter to 5 and tested it with the same result. I have since changed it back.

SignPostMan

I have tested by inputting G30 in the command line with the same result

; Configuration file for Duet 3 (firmware version 3)
; executed by the firmware on start-up
;
; generated by RepRapFirmware Configuration Tool v3.3.0 on Sat Aug 21 2021 12:25:45 GMT-0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)

; General preferences
M575 P1 S1 B57600                            ; enable support for PanelDue
G90                                          ; send absolute coordinates...
M83                                          ; ...but relative extruder moves
M550 P"Duet 3"                               ; set printer name

; Drives
M569 P40.0 S1                               ; physical drive 40.0 goes forwards
M569 P41.0 S1                               ; physical drive 40.0 goes forwards
M569 P42.0 S1                               ; physical drive 42.0 goes forwards
M569 P43.0 S1                               ; physical drive 42.0 goes forwards
;M569 P125.0 S1                               ; physical drive 125.0 goes forwards
M584 X40.0:41.0 Y42.0 Z43.0 ;E125.0             ; set drive mapping
M350 X16 Y16 Z16 E16 I1                      ; configure microstepping with interpolation
M92 X160.00 Y200.00 Z200.00 E420.00          ; set steps per mm
M566 X900.00 Y900.00 Z900.00 E120.00          ; set maximum instantaneous speed changes (mm/min)
M203 X6000.00 Y6000.00 Z2000.00 E1200.00      ; set maximum speeds (mm/min)
M201 X500.00 Y500.00 Z250.00 E250.00          ; set accelerations (mm/s^2)
M906 X2500 Y1200 Z1200 E800 I30              ; set motor currents (mA) and motor idle factor in per cent
M84 S30                                      ; Set idle timeout

; Axis Limits
M208 X0 Y0 Z0 S1                             ; set axis minima
M208 X2300 Y1300 Z304 S0                     ; set axis maxima

; Endstops
M574 X1 S1 P"!^40.io1.in"                   ; configure active-high endstop for low end on X via pin !^40.io1.in
M574 Y1 S1 P"!^42.io1.in"                   ; configure active-high endstop for low end on Y via pin !^41.io1.in
M574 Z1 S1 P"!^43.io1.in"                   ; configure active-high endstop for low end on Z via pin !^43.io1.in

; Z-Probe
M950 S0 C"io5.out"                      ; create servo pin 0 for BLTouch
M558 P9 C"io5.in" H5 F120 T6000        ; set Z probe type to bltouch and the dive height + speeds
G31 P500 X0 Y0 Z2.5                     ; set Z probe trigger value, offset and trigger height
M557 X15:215 Y15:195 S20                ; define mesh grid


; Heaters
M308 S0 P"temp0" Y"thermistor" T100000 B4138 ; configure sensor 0 as thermistor on pin temp0
M950 H0 C"out0" T0                           ; create bed heater output on out0 and map it to sensor 0
M307 H0 B1 S1.00                             ; enable bang-bang mode for the bed heater and set PWM limit
M140 H0                                      ; map heated bed to heater 0
M143 H0 S120                                 ; set temperature limit for heater 0 to 120C
M308 S1 P"spi.cs1" Y"rtd-max31865"           ; configure sensor 1 as thermocouple via CS pin spi.cs1
M950 H1 C"out1" T1                           ; create nozzle heater output on out1 and map it to sensor 1
M307 H1 B0 S1.00                             ; disable bang-bang mode for heater  and set PWM limit
M143 H1 S500                                 ; set temperature limit for heater 1 to 500C

; Fans
M950 F0 C"out4" Q500                         ; create fan 0 on pin out4 and set its frequency
M106 P0 S0 H-1                               ; set fan 0 value. Thermostatic control is turned off
M950 F1 C"out5" Q500                         ; create fan 1 on pin out5 and set its frequency
M106 P1 S1 H1 T45                            ; set fan 1 value. Thermostatic control is turned on

; Tools
M563 P0 D0 H1 F0                             ; define tool 0
G10 P0 X0 Y0 Z0                              ; set tool 0 axis offsets
G10 P0 R0 S0                                 ; set initial tool 0 active and standby temperatures to 0C

; Custom settings are not defined

; homeall.g
; called to home all axes
;
; generated by RepRapFirmware Configuration Tool v3.3.0 on Sat Aug 21 2021 12:06:10 GMT-0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
 
G91 ; relative positioning
G1 H2 Z30 F6000 ; lift Z relative to current position
G1 H1 X-2305 Y-1305 F3000 ; move quickly to X and Y axis endstops and stop there (first pass)
G1 H2 X5 Y5 F6000 ; go back a few mm
G1 H1 X-2305 Y-1305 F180 ; move slowly to X and Y axis endstops once more (second pass)
 
G90 ; absolute positioning
G1 X250 Y650 F3000 ;move probe to centre of bed
 
G30 ; probe bed
 
; Uncomment the following lines to lift Z after probing
 
G91 ; relative positioning
G1 Z20 F1800 ; lift Z relative to current position
G90 ; absolute positioning

; homez.g
; called to home the Z axis
;
; generated by RepRapFirmware Configuration Tool v3.3.0 on Sat Aug 21 2021 12:06:11 GMT-0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
G91               ; relative positioning
G1 H2 Z10 F6000   ; lift Z relative to current position
G1 H1 Z-309 F2500 ; move Z down until the endstop is triggered
G1 H2 Z5 F6000    ; go back a few mm
G1 H1 Z-20Y F180  ; move slowly to Z axis endstops once more (second pass)

;G92 Z0            ; set Z position to axis minimum (you may want to adjust this)

G30 ; probe bed

; Uncomment the following lines to lift Z after probing
G91              ; relative positioning
G1 Z20 F2500      ; lift Z relative to current position
G90              ; absolute positioning

fcwilt

@signpostman said in BL Touch Installation what is Servo Pin?:

@fcwilt I set the A to 1, the Max Taps was 1.
The method your describing is what I have done, I must touch it multiple time (different number each time. I even change the S Parameter to 5 and tested it with the same result. I have since changed it back.

That would seem to confirm my belief that the signal from the probe to the board is inconsistent.

I have two printers with a BLTouch but the wire lengths are perhaps 1 meter.

One difference I have from your setup is the M558 command prefixes the pin name with the ^ character.

What sort of wire is used to extended the black/white pair back to the board?

Frederick

SignPostMan

@fcwilt I have tried CAT 5 cable and now I have 18 gauge 4 conductor that is not twisted pair

SignPostMan

Should it look like this?

fcwilt

@signpostman said in BL Touch Installation what is Servo Pin?:

@fcwilt I have tried CAT 5 cable and now I have 18 gauge 4 conductor that is not twisted pair

I would remove one twisted pair from the CAT cable and use that. And I would make sure to route it away from any source of noise, like stepper wiring.

Frederick

fcwilt

@signpostman said in BL Touch Installation what is Servo Pin?:

Should it look like this?

Yes

SignPostMan

Adding ^ didn't seem to help

fcwilt

@signpostman said in BL Touch Installation what is Servo Pin?:

Adding ^ didn't seem to help

And you re-booted after making the change?

It was worth a try.

Frederick

Phaedrux

@signpostman said in BL Touch Installation what is Servo Pin?:

Should it look like this?

On the Duet3 the pullup should not be enabled.

fcwilt

@phaedrux said in BL Touch Installation what is Servo Pin?:

@signpostman said in BL Touch Installation what is Servo Pin?:

Should it look like this?

On the Duet3 the pullup should not be enabled.

True but at this point any change might help point to the problem.

Frederick

Phaedrux

@fcwilt said in BL Touch Installation what is Servo Pin?:

@signpostman said in BL Touch Installation what is Servo Pin?:

@fcwilt I have tried CAT 5 cable and now I have 18 gauge 4 conductor that is not twisted pair

I would remove one twisted pair from the CAT cable and use that. And I would make sure to route it away from any source of noise, like stepper wiring.

Frederick

This might be your best bet. Short of a toolboard.

As a sanity check can you test the bltouch with a much shorter length of wire with the probe not mounted on the print head? Keep it vertical and trigger it by hand to see if it will stop the Z axis.

SignPostMan

@fcwilt Agree

SignPostMan

@phaedrux What other probe do you suggest that would work with a long cable?

Phaedrux

Maybe a good quality Normally Closed microswitch that you could manually mount before probing with some good quality shielded wire? Or a conductive touch plate that could be moved under the nozzle?

With a printer that size options may be limited?

With better wire the BLTouch may be viable as well.