Beginner issue: storing Z-offset
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x; Z-Probe
M950 S0 C"servo0" ; create servo pin 0 for BLTouch
M558 P9 C"^probe" H5 F120 T6000 ; set Z probe type to bltouch and the dive height + speeds
G31 P500 X-40 Y-12 Z2.08 ; set Z probe trigger value, offset and trigger height
M557 X15:215 Y15:195 S20 ; define mesh grIt looks like you have a BLTouch configured, but you're not using it in your homing files to actually probe and set the Z0 position. Doing this would solve all your problems and you don't have to worry about setting a Z offset or saving an offset, etc. You just measure the offset between the nozzle and probe trigger point once, save it, and you're good to go regardless of the bed surface because the probe checks the surface each time before the print when you home.
Do you not actually have a probe?
https://duet3d.dozuki.com/Wiki/Test_and_calibrate_the_Z_probe
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@westech said in Beginner issue: storing Z-offset:
This is actually very simple to set in Marlin with baby stepping and M500.
I'm perplexed that G92 isn't saved using M500 in RRF?That's a very marlin way of thinking.
You can use M500 P31 to save a trigger height for your probe (G31 Z) after it's been measured, but you can't save G92. That doesn't really make any sense. You don't need to save it because your homeall.g dictates what happens when you want to set the Z position. So just have G92 Z in there if you want to force a current position as Z#
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@westech said in Beginner issue: storing Z-offset:
2) I use Cura, And for some weird reason at the end of the print the filament retracted a good 6-7". It's not in my Cura G-code because I print the same thing on another printer running Marlin. Any Thoughts.
You need to change Cura to use relative extrusion in the settings. It's likely set to absolute extrusion right now, and your end gcode probably has it do a small retraction, but since it's in absolute mode, it's not retracting a 2mm, it's going to the 2mm position which was way at the beginning of the print.
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@phaedrux Greetings! Great feedback.
In reverse order. That weird Cura retraction only happened that one time. It could have been because Cura was set as MARLIN not RRF? All good now.
Please understand my approach. This is a new Ender 3. With Mellow Fly E3 running latest RRF. I'm not familiar with RRF. So, I move slowly adding new features. I Auto PID my hot end/bed. Tram my bed. Then dial in my Z height.
I do have a BL touch. But first I would like to understand in RRF how to set my Manual Zheight and save those peramiters. My other printer ruinning Marlin, is super fine tuned.
i will be integrating the BL touch next.
I really like RRF.
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@westech said in Beginner issue: storing Z-offset:
But first I would like to understand in RRF how to set my Manual Zheight and save those peramiters.
There are two ways as has been mentioned above.
When the endstop switch is contacted during a homing move (G1 H1 Z) the Z position is set to the M208 Z minima value. This homing move is part of homeall.g or homez.g.
Now you can fine tune the Z position of the trigger such that Z0 equals the nozzle touching the bed by either adjusting the M208 minima in config.g, or using a G92 Z in the homing file to override the current position.
There is no "live Z tuning" per se. Just edit the file with the correct value.
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@phaedrux Thanks, I think I got it.
What didn't work:
homeall.g
G92 Z-1.4 ; set Z position to axis minimum (you may want to adjust this)
If I changed G92 Z1.4 as a positive number it would respect that in the console. Displaying Z1.4
But I needed a negative number. G92 Z-1.4 was not respected. and would show it as Z0 in the console.
What worked was adding:
G1 Z1.4 F100
G92 Z0 ; set Z position to axis minimum (you may want to adjust this)
I am printing now and by triggering the endstop then Raising the Z Then G92 Z0. worked.
I really like how RRF can be adjusted so easily. I'm not going to miss going into Platform.io and recompiling Marlin everytime I have change a little thing.
Next stop the BL touch. But I know now how to adjust the Z for different bed heights.
Thanks.
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@westech said in Beginner issue: storing Z-offset:
But I needed a negative number. G92 Z-1.4 was not respected. and would show it as Z0 in the console.
Why do you think you need a negative number? That would mean your nozzle is 1.4mm inside your bed. That makes no sense. If you're outside of the bed area and can safely move the nozzle below the bed plain, then you should change the M208 Z minima to allow that negative position.
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@phaedrux Thank you, I haven't worked with the M208, so I will look into that. I'm going to start integrating the BL touch in the process, as I switch bed surfaces.
All I need to do is add G29 after G28 in my start G-code from my slicer?
When I execute G29, it takes forever, must be 5x5. Where do I set it to just do 4 corners and center, or 3x3?
Thanks.
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@westech said in Beginner issue: storing Z-offset:
@phaedrux Thank you, I haven't worked with the M208, so I will look into that. I'm going to start integrating the BL touch in the process, as I switch bed surfaces.
All I need to do is add G29 after G28 in my start G-code from my slicer?
When I execute G29, it takes forever, must be 5x5. Where do I set it to just do 4 corners and center, or 3x3?
Thanks.
To cope with different bed heights you only need to set the Z=0 datum which involves moving the probe to some fixed location - I use the center of the bed - and issuing a G30.
If the probe is configured correctly then the process will insure the Z=0 has the nozzle just touching the bed regardless of which bed you are using.
Using mesh compensation (which is what G29 is for) is going to be a bit more difficult. Either you live with the time it takes to to create a proper height map (400 points - 20 x 20) or you create a height map for each bed surface and load the appropriate one based on the bed in use.
To use an existing height map in that way you are counting on the consistency in your bed surfaces.
With v3 firmware it is easy to establish a global variable the determines which height map is loaded. The value of the local variable would need to be set each time you changed to a different bed surface.
There is no real point in doing a 4 point or 9 point height map - other than to help cope with an out-of-level bed. It certainly won't hope with minor bed irregularities.
Frederick
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@fcwilt Good info. On my Marlin Ender 3 with a mirror. It is perfectly trammed and I haven't had to do any adjusting. Even though it also has a BL Touch, I don't usually use it because I get such consistent prints.
I print mainly small prototype parts I design in Fusion, so I don't usually use the whole bed.
i mainly got the Textured PEI bed for making nice face surfaces for project enclosures. The steel plate (Energetic) is far from being as flat as my Mirror.
I will look into the G30. I have the RRF G-code "dictionary" always open on my screen:-)
Thank you!
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@phaedrux Thanks for all your help!
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he mechanical endstop I don't want to move. If I moved it up, then physically I could never reach the bed
