Duet 3 Mini 5+ sensorless homing configuration

jay_s_uk

@Veti even with setting S to -63?
If it doesn't immediately trigger that means there's something not right somewhere.
I can maybe have a go with it this morning with mine.
Will report back

Veti

i even tried with -64

jay_s_uk

I can also confirm that sensorless homing does not appear to be working on the mini5+ with RC2.

dc42

@jay_s_uk said in Duet 3 Mini 5+ sensorless homing configuration:

I can also confirm that sensorless homing does not appear to be working on the mini5+ with RC2.

It worked for me during testing. I will try to find the configuration that I used.

gregsaun

Thanks everyone for helping @flobler , he is working on an official Bear config for the Mini 5+

flobler

Yeah, thanks for the help everyone, really appreciated!

I just wanted to add that I am using version 0.4 of the Mini 5+. I also tried all the above and sensorless homing did not work for me. Motor was operating in stealthChop.

flobler

Actually, that combo got it to stall the first time I tried homing X. It stalled immediately when trying to move.

homex.g config.g

What is weird though is that it did not work afterwards again. I need to power cycle the printer (emergency stop did not do it) for it to work again and then again it only works on the first try. This worked 5/5 times so far.

dc42

Bear in mind that you need to execute a tuning procedure when using stealthChop mode.

flobler

Thanks! Just found the docs on that. Will apply and report back.

flobler

@dc42 I think I made progress.

I am still only trying to home X for testing purposes. Here is the config: homex.g
config.g

Initially when first I power on the printer and then try to home X, it does result in a crash. But if I then press the emergency stop to end the crash and tell X to home again, X homes successfully (not elegant yet but it homes).

Homing then works until I power cycle the printer or use the emergency stop. Once I do that I am back at the start. Homing X results in a crash, then I use the emergency stop and after that I can repeatedly home X successfully until I power cycle the printer or use the emergency stop again.

I suspect this must have something to to with how I configured homex.g...

dc42

You need to run the stealthChop tuning procedure first. You can do this is the homing files.This is what I suggest:

Execute a tiny move (1 or 2 microsteps) away from the homing direction.
Pause for 100ms using G4.
Execute a small move away from the homing direction, e.g. 10mm.
Execute the homing move.

Don't forget to reduce current for the homing move (M913).

flobler

@dc42 thanks, I am not sure if I am doing this correct though. So far I am still getting quite mixed results (stalling after power cycle before home point is reached and after that only homing correctly when the extruder is within 10mm of the homing location, and then also not all the time).

I am trying the following (again only trying X for now):

Set stall detection sensitivity and reduce V+H+T parameter
Run tuning procedure and reduce motor current
Homing move
Reset sensitivity, V+H+T and return current to 100%

The above is all my homex.g contains... Is there still something I am doing obviously wrong?

Sindarius

I have been running sensorless homing on my Bear using the Mini5 since it was implemented a few weeks back.

These are my settings in my config.g for the x axis

M569 P0.0 S0 D3 V100                                         ; physical drive 0.0 goes forwards (x)
M574 X1 S3 												; configure sensorless endstop for low end on X  (Sensorless)

My homex.g


M400 						; wait til stuff stops
M574 X1 S3 			  ; use stall guard for endstops
M913 X60 Y60  		; drop motor currents to 50% 
M201 X1000 Y1000	 ; reduce acceleration on X/Y to stop false triggers

M915 X S0 R0 F0 H200	;  Sensitivity 4, don’t take action, don’t filter, 400steps/sec
G91 											; set relative
G1 H2 Z5 F1200 
G1 H1 X-250 F3000			 ; move left 250mm, stopping at the endstop
G1 X10 F1200							; move away from end
G1 H2 Z-5 F1200 
G90 												; back to absolute positioning
M400										 ; wait again
M913 X100 Y100 					 ; motor currents back to 100%
M201 X500 Y500			 ; accel back to original 
M915 S63 X Y R0					 ; Disable Logging and lower stall detection

Feel free to give it a shot and tweak it as needed. I have not spent a lot of time trying to fine tune it but it works well.

flobler

@Sindarius thank you, I will try that! Are you using Pruse MK3 LDO motors?

What part in your homex.g is covering the tuning procedure that David described above?

flobler

Ok, so I tried this @Sindarius. It definitely works the best it has so far, thanks for sharing!

A couple of things are not working yet though:

After a power cycle, when I try to home the axis, it detects a home instantly, before the actual home position and then moves away 10mm. Each homing command moves the axis therefore 10mm further away from its homing position.
After an emergency stop, I can get it to home correctly, that works as many times I want as long as I do not make any other moves in between and as long as I am within 10mm of the actual homing position. As soon as I move e.g. 100mm away from the homing position and I try to re-home then, I get a crash.

Sindarius

@flobler I am using a different set of motors for my bear build. Mine was done with some trial and error and tweaking settings I used on my Duet 2 wifi. I would only use what I have as a start point and incorporate dc42’s recommendations. Don’t trust my comments since the numbers won’t match everywhere.

flobler

In-cooperating all the above tips with some trial and error got it running. I simply had my current reduced way too much for it to work consistently, which was the last bit that needed adjusting.

This is configuration gives good results now homex.g

Thanks everyone for your help!

flobler

I thought I´d post a quick update for anyone reading this later:

I now realized that the bug described here was also contributing to my issues:
https://forum.duet3d.com/topic/21108/stall-detection-on-duet-3-mini

Taking this into account, it was a breeze finding a good value for sensitivity and getting sensorless homing to work smoothly.

Phaedrux

@flobler Thanks for letting us know it's working well for you. Can you share the config that worked?

flobler

@phaedrux Sure! Sorry I must have missed your message.

I have "outsourced" the changes that need applying for homing (motor current, driver tuning, V parameter etc.) from the actual homing moves into a separate macro, so I can tweak this centrally.

Here is how I home all axes:

; homeall.g
; called to home all axes

M98 P"homing_modifications.g" ; applies necessary modifications for the homing moves

; get Z out of the way
G91                    ; relative positioning
G1 H2 Z5 F1200         ; lift Z	
M400                   ; wait for current moves to finish

; home X
G1 H1 X5 F1200    ; move slowly away
G1 H1 X-255 F3600 ; move to X axis endstop and stop there (first pass)
G1 X5 F1200       ; go back a few mm
G1 H1 X-10 F3000  ; move to X axis endstop once more (second pass)
G1 X10 F1200      ; go back a few mm
M400              ; wait for current moves to finish

; home Y
G1 H1 Y5 F1200    ; move slowly away
G1 H1 Y-220 F3600 ; move to Y axis endstop and stop there (first pass)
G1 Y5 F1200       ; go back a few mm
G1 H1 Y-10 F3000  ; move to Y axis endstop once more (second pass)
G1 Y10 F1200      ; go back a few mm
M400              ; wait for current moves to finish

; home Z
G90                 ; absolute positioning
G1 X11.5 Y4.5 F6000 ; go to first probe point
G30                 ; home Z by probing the bed
G1 Z0.6 F500        ; move Z to origin
G91                 ; relative positioning
G1 Z1 F500          ; lift Z relative to current position
M400	     	    ; Wait for current moves to finish

M98 P"homing_modifications_reset.g" ; resets all modifications applied for the homing move

; homing_modifications.g
; tune motor drivers, set motor current and V parameter for homing moves

; apply modifications
M569 P0.1 V10          ; reduce V to ensure stealthChop is enabled for X
M569 P0.2 V10          ; reduce V to ensure stealthChop is enabled for Y
M913 X70 Y70           ; drop motor current to 50%
G4 P100                ; wait 100ms

; tune drivers
G91                      ; relative positioning
G1 H2 X0.2 Y0.2 F3000    ; power up motors to ensure they are not stalled
G4 P100                  ; wait 100ms
M400                     ; wait for current moves to finish

; homing_modifications_reset.g
; reset all homing modifications applied in homing_modifications.g
;
M913 X100 Y100          ; return current to 100% for X and Y
M569 P0.1 V2000         ; restore default V for X
M569 P0.2 V2000         ; restore default V for Y
G90                     ; absolute positioning

Here is the configuration of the endstops/stallguard sensitivity:

; Endstops
M574 X1 S3                                            ; configure sensorless endstop for low end on X
M574 Y1 S3                                            ; configure sensorless endstop for low end on Y
M915 X S3 F0 H200 R0                                  ; set the X axis sensitivity
M915 Y S3 F0 H200 R0                                  ; set the Y axis sensitivity

This works very well for me. I might still tweak it here and there but everything will then be released on the Bear Project GitHub repo.

Hope that helps someone looking into this thread later down the line