Fusion 360 FFF Slicer: G2/G3 Generation Now in Preview
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Well, that's a kick in the teeth. I started with Onshape, but they did the same thing and made the personal/free version virtually unusable. Moved to Fusion 360, but was sceptical that they'd do the same... and they have. Back to OpenSCAD, and, I guess, FreeCAD.
Ian
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In my case paying for Fusion 360 isn't too offensive to me. I've grown to like it a lot and have enough time and effort invested into it that. It's a good piece of software and I don't mind paying for that. I can see how that would be unpopular, but it was free because it was basically an open beta that saw a lot of active development and improvement. Now that it's pretty fully featured it's time to turn the screws and recoup some investment.
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This is the blog post about the changes: https://www.autodesk.com/products/fusion-360/blog/changes-to-fusion-360-for-personal-use/
The comments are... emotional!Ian
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@bot said in Fusion 360 FFF Slicer: G2/G3 Generation Now in Preview:
They already removed importing of "professional" cad formats last year or early this year. So, no more STEP, IGES or SLDPRT/ASM for free users.
Actually, STEP/IGES are still allowed.
Interestingly enough, apparently you can still export to an Inventor part/assembly file, but not import! Very odd.
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@Red-Sand-Robot said in Fusion 360 FFF Slicer: G2/G3 Generation Now in Preview:
@bot said in Fusion 360 FFF Slicer: G2/G3 Generation Now in Preview:
They already removed importing of "professional" cad formats last year or early this year. So, no more STEP, IGES or SLDPRT/ASM for free users.
Actually, STEP/IGES are still allowed.
Interestingly enough, apparently you can still export to an Inventor part/assembly file, but not import! Very odd.
Weird! I could have sworn they removed that, but I guess it was just the SLDPRT/ASM I was thinking of.
That's silly though, that you can't import Iventor files, but can export them, and you can import Step files but not export them! lol. It's like they're waging psychological warfare on free users.
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@jay_s_uk said in Fusion 360 FFF Slicer: G2/G3 Generation Now in Preview:
If you sign up to the EAA https://www.eaa.org/ (for $40 a year or $36 recurring) you can get SOLIDWORKS student.
In my book that's cheating, I can have FULL version of SolidWorks (had until a few years ago) on my computer for free, it's just a state of mind, you do or you don't want to cheat. At some point, I decided I won't do it anymore so.. Currently figuring out how to compile (compiling as we speak) freeCAD on windows so I can have bleeding edge version
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@bearer said in Fusion 360 FFF Slicer: G2/G3 Generation Now in Preview:
@arhi said in Fusion 360 FFF Slicer: G2/G3 Generation Now in Preview:
freeCAD
has cam? https://wiki.freecadweb.org/Path_Workbench ... hold my beer, I'm going in!
no clue if it's any good, have not tried, but I noticed recently that number of workbenches is increasing rapidly and more and more things are available... probbly someone will make a slicer too
.. it being open source I guess it's easier to write slicer for freeCAD than to f360... and you can import/export all sort of fancy formats so -
@droftarts said in Fusion 360 FFF Slicer: G2/G3 Generation Now in Preview:
Well, that's a kick in the teeth. I started with Onshape, but they did the same thing and made the personal/free version virtually unusable. Moved to Fusion 360, but was sceptical that they'd do the same... and they have. Back to OpenSCAD, and, I guess, FreeCAD.
100% same story
I used SolidWorks (illegal) and what was before PTC CREO that had free version. Then PTC purchased that and I dropped it used SolidWorks (illegal) and learned openSCAD. Then onshape came and I loved it (same way of thinking as SolidWorks) and I decided that year that last two illegal tools I have on my computer must go (solidworks and altium designer), and after a while onshape did what they did I moved to f360, now this .. I'm compiling the freeCAD so I can have the latest version as last available build is year old and it's rather active project from what I see on github... fingers crossed freeCAD will get the job done .. -
@Phaedrux said in Fusion 360 FFF Slicer: G2/G3 Generation Now in Preview:
In my case paying for Fusion 360 isn't too offensive to me.
I pay for a lot of software and I don't mind, but that software makes money. I have a policy that for hobby stuff it needs to be in a "give-away" level or I'm not paying. I donated to octoprint more than I paid for simplify3d, it's "acceptable" as it is very useful, saves time etc etc ... s3d was best and saved time (back in the day, now is waporware
) .. f360 is just not worth it ... they all charge millions to commercial players (for e.g. company my brother worked for was paying cca 6 million us$ a year for solidworks, I know companies that pay 10-15M us$ per year for combo of katia, solidworks and proengineer) .. IMHO those companies should give hobby users access for free. Now they usually do it by releasing "fixes" (most of those illegal versions are IMHO released by them) 'cause infrastructure for on-prem apps is too complex but AutoCAD have this buttoned up, they can easily control what goes to free users but their decision to give #%^$^@% is a slap in the face IMHO so why not donate the $$$ I'd be willing to pay to F360 to freeCAD devs and have better open source product at the end of the day -
One other thing to add, I for e.g. work for Oracle ... now they are not the nicest nor the most loved company in the IT world BUT check out their philosophy on the software release. There is no "trial" version of ANY Oracle product. You can go and download ALL Oracle products FOR FREE without ANY limitation - so no registration, time limits, proof you are educators or a student ... nothing, you go to edelivery and you download whatever you want and it's 100% full version with all the bells and whistles with no limitations whatsoever.... as long as you do not use it for a commercial purpose!!! So you wanna learn - get and use for free, you wanna use for hobby, get and use for free, you wanna make money with it - pay up. They trust you will use it according to that agreement, there are no secret packages being sent by the app to say where it is running and what it's doing... but try to make money and their lawyers find out ...
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takes a while to compile but works like a charm so ... I'm migrating, I see already some workbench for dealing with 3d printing (no slicers) and a workbench to communicate with slic3r .. interesting to test
I see the F360 is planned at 60E/m .. Imagine each of us shoot 60e / year to freeCAD ( https://wiki.freecadweb.org/Donate ) .. not to mention they support bountysource so you can vote with your wallet on what feature you want
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I will not get upset if you shared a binary, I promise!
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@bearer said in Fusion 360 FFF Slicer: G2/G3 Generation Now in Preview:
I will not get upset if you shared a binary, I promise!
I'm not yet sure how to make "installer" but "make install" puts this to
D:\FreeCADand afaik it does not require any registry entries etc so should just work if you unpack it there ... I'm trying to figure out how to make installer too but this works (actually, lemme know if it works for you
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7zip archive FreeCAD 0.12.22465 for d:\FreeCAD -
it launches for me ok
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@arhi said in Fusion 360 FFF Slicer: G2/G3 Generation Now in Preview:
D:\FreeCADwhat sort of feinschmecker do you take me for?!
C:\FreeCADworked just fine as well.version 0.19 build 22465 (Git)(I did have 0.18 installed from before, in c:\program files\...\)much appreicated!
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awesome
I left the c:\ one for the original "release" one and this I installed from visual studio to d:\ ... I think I figured out how to make installer but these nsis scripts are buggy so if this works as is no need to waste time on that btw for those who wanna compile (and maintain latest version) the page they made works great but you really have to follow instructions "exactly" and it works without a glitch with all free tools
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@arhi I may try building the latest on Mac OS X. Then work out how to get arc support, to bring this thread full circle.
Regarding F360, I have only used it for learning and a few small one off projects, and it’s possible that a personal license would suffice for me. I certainly don’t make 60 a month of any currency from it! But I just don’t like the way they’ve gone about it, and think the best thing is to move on, again. Investing more time and effort on F360 seems fruitless when they may increase prices or reduce features with two weeks notice!
Ian
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@droftarts said in Fusion 360 FFF Slicer: G2/G3 Generation Now in Preview:
Then work out how to get arc support
I see there is some integration with slic3r, probbly can be failrly easy to integrate with any slicer... then it's again fairly easy to use arcwelder to match curves on top of g-code and what you get is a compressed g-code file with arcs...
What I'd like more is actually writing slicer as a workbench for freeCAD that would use the CSG functionality inside to slice the solids and meshes loaded directly without having to remesh them but it's not my cup of tee ... tried making slicer, failed
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@droftarts said in Fusion 360 FFF Slicer: G2/G3 Generation Now in Preview:
The comments are... emotional!
... and cencored
..you're saying you'd rather have 100% of my personal "revenue" and 0% revenue from my employer buying licenses than having 0% of my personal "revenue" and 100% of the revenue from my employer buying licenses? Thats fine by me, but I'm not sure I see how that will help Autodesk grow..
cited from memory; tried twice, hours apart, slightly different wording ... but aparently thats too, extreme?
