Fusion 360 FFF Slicer: G2/G3 Generation Now in Preview
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@Phaedrux said in Fusion 360 FFF Slicer: G2/G3 Generation Now in Preview:
In my case paying for Fusion 360 isn't too offensive to me.
I pay for a lot of software and I don't mind, but that software makes money. I have a policy that for hobby stuff it needs to be in a "give-away" level or I'm not paying. I donated to octoprint more than I paid for simplify3d, it's "acceptable" as it is very useful, saves time etc etc ... s3d was best and saved time (back in the day, now is waporware
) .. f360 is just not worth it ... they all charge millions to commercial players (for e.g. company my brother worked for was paying cca 6 million us$ a year for solidworks, I know companies that pay 10-15M us$ per year for combo of katia, solidworks and proengineer) .. IMHO those companies should give hobby users access for free. Now they usually do it by releasing "fixes" (most of those illegal versions are IMHO released by them) 'cause infrastructure for on-prem apps is too complex but AutoCAD have this buttoned up, they can easily control what goes to free users but their decision to give #%^$^@% is a slap in the face IMHO so why not donate the $$$ I'd be willing to pay to F360 to freeCAD devs and have better open source product at the end of the day 
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One other thing to add, I for e.g. work for Oracle ... now they are not the nicest nor the most loved company in the IT world BUT check out their philosophy on the software release. There is no "trial" version of ANY Oracle product. You can go and download ALL Oracle products FOR FREE without ANY limitation - so no registration, time limits, proof you are educators or a student ... nothing, you go to edelivery and you download whatever you want and it's 100% full version with all the bells and whistles with no limitations whatsoever.... as long as you do not use it for a commercial purpose!!! So you wanna learn - get and use for free, you wanna use for hobby, get and use for free, you wanna make money with it - pay up. They trust you will use it according to that agreement, there are no secret packages being sent by the app to say where it is running and what it's doing... but try to make money and their lawyers find out ...
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takes a while to compile but works like a charm so ... I'm migrating, I see already some workbench for dealing with 3d printing (no slicers) and a workbench to communicate with slic3r .. interesting to test
I see the F360 is planned at 60E/m .. Imagine each of us shoot 60e / year to freeCAD ( https://wiki.freecadweb.org/Donate ) .. not to mention they support bountysource so you can vote with your wallet on what feature you want
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I will not get upset if you shared a binary, I promise!
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@bearer said in Fusion 360 FFF Slicer: G2/G3 Generation Now in Preview:
I will not get upset if you shared a binary, I promise!
I'm not yet sure how to make "installer" but "make install" puts this to
D:\FreeCADand afaik it does not require any registry entries etc so should just work if you unpack it there ... I'm trying to figure out how to make installer too but this works (actually, lemme know if it works for you
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7zip archive FreeCAD 0.12.22465 for d:\FreeCAD -
it launches for me ok
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@arhi said in Fusion 360 FFF Slicer: G2/G3 Generation Now in Preview:
D:\FreeCADwhat sort of feinschmecker do you take me for?!
C:\FreeCADworked just fine as well.version 0.19 build 22465 (Git)(I did have 0.18 installed from before, in c:\program files\...\)much appreicated!
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awesome
I left the c:\ one for the original "release" one and this I installed from visual studio to d:\ ... I think I figured out how to make installer but these nsis scripts are buggy so if this works as is no need to waste time on that btw for those who wanna compile (and maintain latest version) the page they made works great but you really have to follow instructions "exactly" and it works without a glitch with all free tools
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@arhi I may try building the latest on Mac OS X. Then work out how to get arc support, to bring this thread full circle.
Regarding F360, I have only used it for learning and a few small one off projects, and it’s possible that a personal license would suffice for me. I certainly don’t make 60 a month of any currency from it! But I just don’t like the way they’ve gone about it, and think the best thing is to move on, again. Investing more time and effort on F360 seems fruitless when they may increase prices or reduce features with two weeks notice!
Ian
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@droftarts said in Fusion 360 FFF Slicer: G2/G3 Generation Now in Preview:
Then work out how to get arc support
I see there is some integration with slic3r, probbly can be failrly easy to integrate with any slicer... then it's again fairly easy to use arcwelder to match curves on top of g-code and what you get is a compressed g-code file with arcs...
What I'd like more is actually writing slicer as a workbench for freeCAD that would use the CSG functionality inside to slice the solids and meshes loaded directly without having to remesh them but it's not my cup of tee ... tried making slicer, failed
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@droftarts said in Fusion 360 FFF Slicer: G2/G3 Generation Now in Preview:
The comments are... emotional!
... and cencored
..you're saying you'd rather have 100% of my personal "revenue" and 0% revenue from my employer buying licenses than having 0% of my personal "revenue" and 100% of the revenue from my employer buying licenses? Thats fine by me, but I'm not sure I see how that will help Autodesk grow..
cited from memory; tried twice, hours apart, slightly different wording ... but aparently thats too, extreme?
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@bearer said in Fusion 360 FFF Slicer: G2/G3 Generation Now in Preview:
... and cencored
That's the point I stop looking at them as company I can work with. Same thing closed the door for me for S3D when I saw they are removing, censoring, editing comments...
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@arhi said in Fusion 360 FFF Slicer: G2/G3 Generation Now in Preview:
nothing, you go to edelivery and you download whatever you want and it's 100% full version with all the bells and whistles with no limitations whatsoever.... as long as you do not use it for a commercial purpose!!!
but oracle managed to create licensing terms that even lawyers have trouble to understand.
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@Veti said in Fusion 360 FFF Slicer: G2/G3 Generation Now in Preview:
but oracle managed to create licensing terms that even lawyers have trouble to understand.
made by lawyers, for lawyers presumably?
(slight segway, Oracle XE is(was?) a free for commercial use offering, but not supported and a wee bit crippled)
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It is a real shame that Autodesk's personal use policies have detracted from the addition of a barebones 'arc fit' function for their slicer in F360. I just thought it was a neat addition, and implemented very quick compared to other features, but it got overshadowed immediately by removal of features. I feel the better direction would have been to stagger some features behind cheaper paywalls (i.e. $10 USD/month for 5-axis CAM, $10USD/month for simulation, etc) vs locking everything behind a commercial subscription when it is likely a majority of their current user base are not commercial.
(edit: spelling)
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@Veti yes yes .. lawyers for lawyers .. but it's rather simple really, you wanna use it commercially and not pay they gonna rip your skin .. otherwise you are safe
@bearer there are crippled tools free (or cheaper) for commercial use ... but I'm talking about non-commercial use only... for commercial use it is understandable companies make "levels" of availability
@Red-Sand-Robot I do fear that "majority.." is the problem, they probbly believed they will score some big clients taking them to commercial heaven that would allow them to keep the hobby side of the story free ... but when they failed to get money on the big boy table they turned around to us trying to milk the existing user base for some $$$$ ... The "everything always up2date" policy is cool but I have a decent workstation (ryzen9, 1080 nvidia, 64G ram), it's not end of the line but it's rather decent computer and f360 on it is few orders of magnitude slower than solidworks running on 10 year old i7 940 and spindles ... it just can't compare ... f360 is interesting product but it is not productive, not close to what professional players offer and what serious users require ... If I was a company doing a lot of cad design I don't see me moving from solidworks for f360 even in case f360 is 100% free for commercial use, it is just too unproductive as when you add to the equation cost of engineer using the tool, additional time f360 requires surpass the price od sw.. that's of course just my opinion, everyone is entitled to one and mine might be totally off target but..
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@arhi
Solidworks has too much marketshare for a major company to use much else... cross platform work becomes a major problem very quickly.That said, paid Fusion360 is very good value for people doing less complicated stuff.
But they always told their partners that the free versions would only continue until they had hit a big enough user base.
If they haven't already, expect the free 12 months deals to start drying up.Plus their senior execs are much less maker focused than in the past.
