Laser filament monitor
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Hi, I'm new here
I have a Duet Ethernet and accessories ready to be installed, but am still working on a new printer in which to use it, so no actual experience yet with this no doubt amazing controller.
I will definitely want to install a filament monitor, and the laser option seems like a very elegant approach. I already have a simple switch installed at the far end of the tube, to set off an alarm in case the filament runs out, and another closer to the extruder that stops the print if no new filament has been loaded. However, stop of movement due to a blocked nozzle is a bigger concern.
My reason for this post is a question related to complexity of the filament monitor; What is the added value of monitoring retraction and re-priming?
Both are fast-moving actions and unlikely to cause a blockage. If there is a stop of movement, I believe it would have happened already during normal feeding of the filament. I find it highly unlikely that retract/re-prime will trigger an alarm before normal movement and, even if it does, normal movement alarm will immediately follow. Am I overlooking something?
Another question; I would like to keep my simple switch as it is easier for me to resupply filament before it hits the extruder. Can a simple switch work in parallel with the filament monitor on a single end-stop port?
Thank you for all of your hard work. It is not the cheapest solution, but one that is extremely well supported and that makes all the difference.
Michael
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Hi @dansker61, welcome to the forum.
I agree with you, as long as the retraction speed and acceleration have been set to values that the extruder can manage, I don't think it should be necessary to monitor retractions and re-prime moves.
Both filament monitor designs have an option to connect a switch to monitor presence of filament. The switch should be closed when filament is present.
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I'm wondering if detection can be improved by adding a reflector on one or both sides of the filament channel?
You surely do not want the laser to reflect on itself, but the beam is hitting a curvature (round filament) and that means reflection to the sides. Maybe it would help to pick up those reflections and send them back. Thin stripes of aluminum foil might do.
Quick pencil drawing…
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I'm sure that the prototypes will be subjected to rigorous testing, so if detection needs to be improved the necessary steps will be taken.
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I like the simplistic idea of the laser. I have one of the magnetic sensors and had to take it off because it drove me nuts when the magnet would slide away from the sensor. Although when it work properly it worked well. Its going on my delta as soon as I finish it.
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Hi folks, very interested in this when/if it reaches production. I was just wondering though about the possibility of using some sort of ultrasonic sensor which could detect density and hence be more accurate?
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I don't think you could detect filament motion using ultrasound because the filament surface s too smooth. Also you would need to use high frequency ultrasound to get the wavelength shorter than the filament diameter.
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What about using OpenCV? This is similar to the laser sensor, but it would allow to measure the diameter. It would need a decent GPU-based board (like NVidia's ones). Who said overkill?
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hi David,
would it be an issue if laser versus transparent filaments? i mean even a tiny light can trigger the sensor even if the light is refracted by a clear transparent filament. just a thought. -
I tested with a transparent PETG filament and the laser had no trouble tacking it. Black filament was more of a problem.
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interesting. so the darker the color there would be a higher inconsistency?
would like to get my hands on one to tinker with. -
Currently i have some spools of black PLA filament which tends to clog. Perfect time for betatesting if you need someone running it under "real user conditions".
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Apparently pet-g is the hardest filament to detect. So, if you get that one done, you are golden.
I wonder if putting the sensor past the extruded on a bowden setup makes it read better (since now it has tooth marks that might make it easier to see)
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Yes that occurred to me too. However, the optical sensor would need to be protected from filament dust produced when the hobbed shaft grinds the filament.
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what about a laser before the reader to etch little lines into the filament?
nvm, you’d need quite the laser to make that work….
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Yes that occurred to me too. However, the optical sensor would need to be protected from filament dust produced when the hobbed shaft grinds the filament.
And it wouldn't work after a RDD like the Nimble or Flex3drive so it has to go before them
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You could create something secondary to create the notches, then clean the filament but that likely just creates other issues and failure modes.
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Anything new about this apparatus?
Will it be prefered against the old version? and when will we normal (actually maby not so normal) humans be abel to get hold on these things? -
At present the laser sensor is not as reliable as the rotating magnet one. We have some more work to do to see whether we can improve it.
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Since the laser approach seems to be causing problems the suggestion of using ultrasound may not be as impractical as you think.
It is commonly used for highly accurate non-invasive flow measurement of gasses and liquids which you have to admit are pretty smooth. Sensing is based around doppler effects of minor differences in internal density.
The main advantage if it could be made to work is that it would work through the feed tube - just clamp on and measure.
I don’t know how well it would handle highly homogenous filaments but I suspect there would be suffucient internal structure to make it work.
You’d also have to source a suitable transducer / sensor system.
I don’t know if you can get transducers small enough, the pipes in a domestic gas meter are around 25mm so our sensor would need a field of operation 10 times smaller though they may be made for lab equipment.
