Connect a water flow sensor --> will M591 P7 work in Laser mode?

dc42

@paulg4h said in Connect a water flow sensor --> will M591 P7 work in Laser mode?:

@dc42 thanks for the input.

After changing of the daemon.g I am not able to update the file by DWC because it is now opened forever.

How can I update the daemon.g beside change the file on SD card now?

Rename the daemon.g file from DWC, then reset.

paulg4h

@dc42 Thank's again!

How could I use the rpm more reliable to detect water flow, even in DWC the Sensors Fan RPM are shown and jumps between 0 and something between 190 and 210 all the time.

What is the best in sort of functionality and use as low as possible resources in RRF?

paulg4h

Is there anybody who can show the best way to monitor such an sensor where the reading is not reliable on RRF 3.3?

Many thanks!

cosmowave

@paulg4h I think, it is a signal problem. Do you have an oscilloscope for checking the signal?

paulg4h

@cosmowave For me it looks like that RRF is not able to count the signal (rpm) because the DWC which pools the values every second shows as example 207 - 0 - 196 - 0 - 201 - 0 -198 - 0 so every two seconds I get zero.

How to use a variable to calculate a avg value to get a relieable value I can use to decide that the water flow is still there?

cosmowave

@paulg4h Eventually you can make a sum of e.g. 10 measurements of the value and take the average of these measurements. When the average is below a value (e.g. 20) then you have no flow.

It will be a littel slower, but i think, that is no problem...

paulg4h

@cosmowave so create 10 position variables and one counter and avg or is there a type of list /array available too?
How to create such a script that it uses as less ressources of the system as posible?

There is an variable type of array but I have no clue how to assign a value or sum the values to get an AVG with the informations provided there.

cosmowave

@paulg4h or something like this in daemon.g

 var.counter
 var.sum

if var.zähler < 10
	set var.sum = {var.sum + "newValue"}
	set var.counter = var.counter + 1

else 
	if {var.sum / var.counter} < 20
		NO FLOW

paulg4h

@cosmowave this will not work because as more readings the sum gets as less the chance that the avg value comes close to the low value.

There should be something like a array with 10 values which are overwritten every 10 readings to get an reliable value.

cosmowave

@paulg4h Yes... you need more or less 10 readings of the low value. But is your flow detection that much time critical?

paulg4h

@cosmowave You add the current value to the sum variable all the time --> so after 100 readings you got the sum of them and calculate the average by the dvision of 100 reading, so the avg value gets higher and higher.

cosmowave

@paulg4h uups, there is an error in my code!
you need to reset the counter to 0 in the else construct!

cosmowave

 var.counter
 var.sum
 
if var.counter < 10
	set var.sum = {var.sum + "newValue"}
	set var.counter = var.counter + 1
 
else 
        var.counter = 0
	if {var.sum / var.counter} < 20
		NO FLOW

cosmowave

@cosmowave once again an error
The reset should be after the if where you calculate the average!

cosmowave

var.counter
var.sum

if var.counter < 10
   set var.sum = {var.sum + "newValue"}
   set var.counter = var.counter + 1

else 
   if {var.sum / var.counter} < 20
   	NO FLOW
   var.counter = 0

paulg4h

@cosmowave there is still an issue, the sum value will get higher and higher, so when the flow sensor will return only zero after an hour it takes several runs to get the avg town to trigger the alarm.

var val1 = 0
var val2 = 0
var val3 = 0
var val4 = 0
var val5 = 0
var max= 5
var avg = 0
var pos = 1
var initDone = 0
while true
  G4 S2 ; run every two seconds
  if pos = 1
    set val1 = fans[0].rpm
  if pos = 2
    set val2 = fans[0].rpm
  if pos = 3
    set val3 = fans[0].rpm
  if pos = 4
    set val4 = fans[0].rpm
  if pos = 5
    set val5 = fans[0].rpm
 set  pos = pos +1 
  if pos > max
    set pos = 1
    if initDone = 0
      set initDone = 1
  set avg = {val1 + val2 + val3 + val4 + val5} / max

  if initDone > 0
    if avg < 50
       M118 S"no water flow"
       M25

This code is not tested jet and far from nice...

cosmowave

@paulg4h yes, you're right. There is again an error! Soory for that!
You have to reset the sum too!

var.counter
var.sum
 
if var.counter < 10
   set var.sum = {var.sum + "newValue"}
   set var.counter = var.counter + 1
 
else 
   if {var.sum / var.counter} < 20
   	NO FLOW
   var.counter = 0
   var.sum = 0

dc42

@paulg4h said in Connect a water flow sensor --> will M591 P7 work in Laser mode?:

How could I use the rpm more reliable to detect water flow, even in DWC the Sensors Fan RPM are shown and jumps between 0 and something between 190 and 210 all the time.

That doesn't sound right. I suspect it is because the RPM is much lower than for a typical fan. If RRF doesn't receive any tacho pulses for a certain period of time, it assumes the fan has stopped and gives a zero reading.

I just checked the code: it requires at least 32 tacho pulses over a period not exceeding 3 seconds. It assumes 2 tacho pulses per revolution. So the minimum speed to get a stable reading is 16/3 revs/sec = 320 rpm.

I'll make a note to allow a wider range in RRF 3.4.

paulg4h

@dc42 said in Connect a water flow sensor --> will M591 P7 work in Laser mode?:

16/3 revs/sec = 320 rpm.

Many thank's!

cosmowave

@paulg4h If you can open the sensor, you can try to insert more magnets. Eventually you can reach the desired rpm. But i'm not sure if there is space and if the hall detects proper signal-edges with more magnets...