Duet 2 Ethernet and SBC

Dougal1957

Will the standard DSF system for the SBC remain the same or will we need a different image?

smoki3

@T3P3Tony so you recommend any resistor which was working fine in you tests?

A Former User

@smoki3 maybe you'll find some clues if you look at the duet 2 and 3 schematics. i.e. the EDR_CONN already has R17 on the duet 2, and the duet 3 schematic show which values they used there

smoki3

@bearer where do I find the schematic

A Former User

@smoki3 said in Duet 2 Ethernet and SBC:

where do I find the schematic

https://github.com/Duet3D/Duet3-Mainboard-6HC
and
https://github.com/T3P3/Duet/tree/master/Duet2/Duet2v1.04

or just google it?

smoki3

@bearer thanks!

I googled for it but unter "duet 3 schematics" you don't get it

In the duet3 schematics they use 100Ohm resistors.

The duet 2 has for MOSI, MISO and SPCK 47 Ohm and for NPSC0 and EDR 2,2 kOhm

@T3P3Tony NPSC0 and EDR have no influence on the speed, right?

wilriker

@smoki3 said in Duet 2 Ethernet and SBC:

@T3P3Tony NPSC0 and EDR have no influence on the speed, right?

That's correct.

I tested with no resistors and with 500R (two 1K in parallel since that's what I just had at hand at the time). The difference is significant but at the same time negligible. Without resistors you can get up to 25-27MHz. With 500R in series you "only" get 13.5-15MHz - but that's still plenty and most likely more than your ever need while at the same time providing you much more protection.

@Dougal1957 DSF is absolutely the same. It does neither know nor care if it's a D3 or a D2 on the other end.

smoki3

@wilriker

Okay cool. I just ordered some experimental stripboards and the 26 pin connector. So I can test it next week.

I will build up a small pcb with the resistors on it.

So I will just add some resistors to the MISO, MOSI and SPCK pins. The 2.2kOhm on the two other pins should be enough.

How fast is an ESP? Do they also reach the 25 MHz?

wilriker

@smoki3 said in Duet 2 Ethernet and SBC:

How fast is an ESP? Do they also reach the 25 MHz?

The current configuration sets it to 26.7MHz. The ESP (clocked at 80MHz) can go up to at least 40MHz from what I can see in the source code comments.

smoki3

@wilriker what's the worst case scenario if I connect it directly? Or otherwise what if the speed is to slow (if I choose to big resistors)?

wilriker

@smoki3 So worst case: you fry the SAM4E on the Duet or the ARM of the RPi. That's easy.

Let's put the answer about speed this way: currently the default configuration for Duet Software Framework (which controls the SPI speed) is set to 8 MHz for a Duet 3 (which coincidentally has virtually the same max SPI speed as a Duet 2). And so far there have been very to no occasions where this would not have sufficed. So if you run it at 15MHz (with ~500R series resistors) you are still about twice the speed of the normal D3-SBC speed. I guess you run into step-generation limits before you see issues with SPI speed.

smoki3

@wilriker
allright. I will test it soon!

smoki3

@wilriker does the duet 2 provide enough current on the 5 volt circuit to power the pi? Or is it better to use a separate stepdown module

dc42

@smoki3 said in Duet 2 Ethernet and SBC:

@wilriker does the duet 2 provide enough current on the 5 volt circuit to power the pi? Or is it better to use a separate stepdown module

The 5V regulator on Duet 2 does not provide enough current to power a Pi safely.

A Former User

@wilriker said in Duet 2 Ethernet and SBC:

I tested with no resistors and with 500R

thanks for your effort with this btw! ~~which branch would be the best bet to build Duet2_SBC_RTOS/Duet2CombinedFirmware.bin?~~ nvm checking that all the repos have been switched from dc42 to duet3d github turned out to be an idea

smoki3

@bearer I build 3.02 branch with the SBC Configuration. This should work.

The build have a different file name. So you have to rename it to flash it over DWC

wilriker

@smoki3 Yes, for initial flashing you have to rename it or flash it via bossa (as I did). If you also build DuetIAP and put this into the /sys folder of DSF you can from then on do regular flashing by just uploading the firmware file as is in DWC.

smoki3

@wilriker is it a different DuetIAP as the normal build which is released on GitHub?

wilriker

@smoki3 Yes, it's a new version that will be part of the RRF 3.2.0. You have to clone DuetIAP and have to build SAM4E_SPI_RAM build configuration. This will create a file name Duet2_SBCiap_2SBC.bin.

A Former User

@wilriker did you see anything like https://forum.duet3d.com/post/162547 in your testing?

(that is with 330R inline on the MOSI, MISO and SCK signals, but the ESP is in place with its pins as hi-z and sleeping).

i'll see if I can't put some 2.0mm headers on there so I can switch between WiFi and SBC but will take a while