CNC style Pendant

[A Former User]

@FelixH said in CNC style Pendant:

By the way, would the +5V of the PandelDue be able to supply enough current for

probably - but it comes down to how much overall current the Duets 5v supply has to deliver to itself, and other peripherals. But the 0.5mm trace to the PanelDue port is good for 1 amp and some change.

[dc42]

@FelixH said in CNC style Pendant:

By the way, would the +5V of the PandelDue be able to supply enough current for: the PandelDue, the Nano and a ESP32 used as a splitter (to be able to use both the PanelDue and the Pendant simultaneously). I want to use an ESP just because it has more convenient pinout with Rx/Tx ports

If you keep the wireless function of the ESP32 turned off then I don't think it should be a problem.

Why use the Nano at all? It looks to me that the ESP32 has enough pins to do everything.

[FelixH]

@dc42 said in CNC style Pendant:

Why use the Nano at all? It looks to me that the ESP32 has enough pins to do everything.

yes, I know. But if I don't do it step by step, I'll be lost. I'm not that good at coding. A colleague of mine took a look at the SMuff project above and has simplified a lot to act only as splitter. No WiFi, no nothing... I will try to put everything together and publish it on GitHub someday...

[Danal]

We can help with the ESP32 coding. I'm going to use one in my pendant. Planning on doing PanelDue "pass through" and wireless.

I'm probably about a week away from coding this; so run the Nano now, and see if you want/need this later.

P.S. Planning on wireless config via having the ESP32 initally act as its own AP and Network. Use your phone to join, fill out a simple form with three fields: Your network SSID, password, and name or IP of Duet printer. It then swaps itself over to those settings.

And have a reset button to go back to "not configured" AP mode.

[dc42]

I rewired the pendant with the Arduino Nano inside. I found a youtube video about how to make cable curly with a heat gun, so I did that with some of my standard 4-core PanelDue cable. The result:

I've realised that I can implement passthrough for PanelDue on the Nano, because the Nano doesn't need to see the responses that the Duet sends to PanelDue. So the UTXD or IO_0_OUT pin on the Duet can be connected directly to DIN on the PanelDue, and DOUT on PanelDue can be connected to RXD on the Nano. I'll add this feature to the firmware next.

[FelixH]

@dc42 said in CNC style Pendant:

I've realised that I can implement passthrough for PanelDue on the Nano, because the Nano doesn't need to see the responses that the Duet sends to PanelDue. So the UTXD or IO_0_OUT pin on the Duet can be connected directly to DIN on the PanelDue, and DOUT on PanelDue can be connected to RXD on the Nano. I'll add this feature to the firmware next.

Does it mean there won't be the need for a Splitter to have the PanelDue and the Pendant simultaneously?

[dc42]

@FelixH said in CNC style Pendant:

Does it mean there won't be the need for a Splitter to have the PanelDue and the Pendant simultaneously?

Yes. However, it may be necessary to change one of the resistors on the Arduino Nano from 1K to 10K so that the PanelDue can override the RxD signal coming from the USB interface chip.

[dc42]

I've got the pass through facility working and committed the new code to github.

To use the pass through facility, you need to connect the PanelDue and CNC pendant cables to the Duet like this:

• Join all three +5V connections together
• Join all three ground connections together
• URXD or IO_0_OUT on Duet goes to PanelDue DIN
• PanelDue DOUT goes to RX0 on the Nano in the pendant (but see below)
• TX1 on the Nano goes through the 2 resistor (voltage divider) network to URXD or IO_0_IN on the Duet

I joined the 3 cables using solder sleeves. Here is the join before I put the heatshrink sleeving over it:

It's necessary to either feed the DOUT signal from the Duet through a 3.3V to 5V level shifter and connect the output of that to the Nano RX0 pin, or you can connect it directly without a level shifter if you make one or two modifications to the Nano. The modifications are:

• Replace the 1K resistor between the USB-to-serial output and the RX0 pin by a 10K resistor. If you use the Arduino Nano clone that uses a CH340G USB-to-serial converter, it's this 0603 resistor:

• On Arduino Nano clones using the CH340G chip, you must also remove the resistor in series with the RX LED (or you could remove the LED):

When programming the Nano over USB, you must disconnect the PanelDue. If you use a level shifter to feed PanelDue DOUT to RX0 instead of modifying the Nano, then you will need to disconnect the level shifter from RX0 to program the Nano.

I put Kapton tape over the upper two magnets in the back of the case, to make sure they don't short anything on the Nano:

[dc42]

For anyone wanting to use the passthrough facility without having to modify the Arduino Nano hardware, it appears to me that a Teensy 2.0 could be substituted for the Nano and a few pin assignments changed. On the Teensy the USB interface is separate from the UART interface, so the two won't interfere with each other.

EDIT: the Arduino Micro or Arduino Pro Micro would also be better choices than the Arduino Nano, for the same reason.

[FelixH]

would the schematic displayed on the photo be correct? Is nothing connected to the Duet RX or it is connected as usual and, therefore, omitted??

Also, I am assuming that if I use a level shifter, I can also used to replace the resistor bridge, right?

[dc42]

No, that's not quite right. PanelDue DIN is connected to Duet TX, not Duet RX.

A simpler option is to use an Arduino Pro Micro instead of the Arduino Nano. You would then need just 3 resistors, and you would be able to reprogram the Arduino without disconnecting anything.

[dc42]

I've updated the code and the readme file at https://github.com/Duet3D/CNC-Pendant-Firmware to support Arduino Pro Micro as well as Arduino Nano.

[FelixH]

Well, today I found the time to put that together and it doesn't work all that well.

I wired the Pendant with the Arduino Nano (clone) and a level shifter (the one in the photo above) for both Arduino pins (Rx and Tx). The Pendant works fine, it does what it has to do and it's great. However, when I plug it together with the display, the display does not get info from the Duet. It doesn't retrieve the location, macros, files, etc.

I flashed the latest firmware.

Any tips on troubleshooting?

EDIT: I re-checked the wiring and everything looks as it should...

[Danal]

I ordered a pendant just BEFORE Dave wrote his Arudino code. Which is great! Freed me up to take it in a slightly different direction:

YAP - Yet Another Pendant

YAP is a wireless (WiFi Network) or wired (PanelDue port) pendant based on the ESP32 (about $5 in the US). Also, the ambition is to have a small OLED display with XYZ showing.

Progress reports will be in the other thread.

[tntjet]

Thank you all for your contribution! I have my cnc pendant working.

[dc42]

@FelixH said in CNC style Pendant:

Well, today I found the time to put that together and it doesn't work all that well.

I wired the Pendant with the Arduino Nano (clone) and a level shifter (the one in the photo above) for both Arduino pins (Rx and Tx). The Pendant works fine, it does what it has to do and it's great. However, when I plug it together with the display, the display does not get info from the Duet. It doesn't retrieve the location, macros, files, etc.

I flashed the latest firmware.

Any tips on troubleshooting?

EDIT: I re-checked the wiring and everything looks as it should...

Did you correct the wiring according to my previous post? Please provide a diagram showing how you have connected the parts together.

[FelixH]

@dc42 here is what I wired, I think I did not miss anything, but I'm known to miss that sort of things, so...

Also, today I plugged the display (only display as usual) after the Duet on my CNC was turned on, and it did not respond either, just like with the pendant. I had to boot again. Could it have something in common with the problem?

[dc42]

Have you a datasheet on the level shifter you are using? I'm wondering whether your level shifter might not be able to drive the load on the Nano RX pin.

[FelixH]

@dc42 I don't find any datasheet, but it is this one...

https://www.amazon.de/XCSOURCE-Logisches-Konverter-Bi-Direktional-TE291/dp/B0148BLZGE/ref=sr_1_9?dchild=1&keywords=Logic+Level+Converter&qid=1590256177&sr=8-9

[dc42]

Unfortunately that design of logic level converter doesn't provide any current amplification, so it has the same problem as a PanelDue driving the RX pin of the Nano directly.

You could make the modification(s) to the Nano that I described in my post; or substitute an Arduino Pro Micro for the Nano.