Improving auto-calibration.
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What are H values, and no, I'm not sure about the effector tilt, it seeks like it would be very difficult to put a level on the effector…
It says my deviation is .03
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So H values are used to compensate for effector tilt. Unless your mechanicals are very, very precise you'll get some effector tilt at some x,y coordinates.
The further from the nozzle your IR sensor is mounted the more exaggerated this will be. H values are derived by going to each of your probing points and manually measuring the distance between probe trigger point and the bed. They are then added to each of your G30 commands to compensate for tilt.
You might see your auto calibration jump up a bit in accuracy by doing this, or you might have no effector tilt. I just mounted my IR very close to the nozzle, as close as I dare.
If this isnt the issue then try grid levelling by installing the beta of 1.17 firmware.
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The trigger height should be the same at each location, correct?
Am I measuring the distance between the nozzle and the bed, of the irprobe and bed?
My ir probe is situated 5mm away from my heat block.
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How can I get the probe to stop at its trigger?
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So the trigger height will be the same distance above the bed at each location but if your effector has tilted the nozzle to bed distance at the trigger height will be different. This difference is what you are measuring relative to the trigger height at bed centre where effector tilt should be zero. Your IR probe according to your config.g is pretty close to your nozzle so these will be small values.
You are measuring the distance between the trigger height and the nozzle hitting the bed. So go to a coordinate, send G30 the head will descend and stop when triggered OR lower the head manually until the LED comes on, on the IR sensor board. Then manually lower until you grip a piece of paper or actually make contact with the bed whichever is easier to measure. Do this at bed centre, and each of the autocalibration probing points.
H = (trigger height measured at the point) - (trigger height at the bed center)
So enter for each of your points in bed.g the H value i.e.
G30 P0 X0.00 Y110.00 Z-99999 H0
G30 P1 X70.71 Y84.26 Z-99999 H0.3
G30 P2 X108.33 Y19.10 Z-99999 H-0.4
G30 P3 X95.26 Y-55.00 Z-99999 H-0.6See how you get on with that.
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I too likely need to add H values to my probe points. My main issue is with the variability of the test for when the nozzle is gripping a sheet of paper. There's some subjectivity there.
What increments are you moving when you're calibrating those H values? 0.1mm, or lower?
I'm also a bit confused about how you determine the H value. Do you do a paper test like is outlined for configuring Z0 in the IR Probe setup? (Move to that point, lower the head until it grips a sheet of paper, set that as Z0, move up 5mm, then probe and then subtract the height at the bed center from that new value?
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I too likely need to add H values to my probe points. My main issue is with the variability of the test for when the nozzle is gripping a sheet of paper. There's some subjectivity there.
What increments are you moving when you're calibrating those H values? 0.1mm, or lower?
I'm also a bit confused about how you determine the H value. Do you do a paper test like is outlined for configuring Z0 in the IR Probe setup? (Move to that point, lower the head until it grips a sheet of paper, set that as Z0, move up 5mm, then probe and then subtract the height at the bed center from that new value?
I use 0.025mm increments on my delta with 160 steps/mm. If you have 100 or 200 steps/mm then you should use 0.020mm instead. The procedure I use is:
1. Move the head to over the probe point.
2. Lower the head until it just grips a sheet of paper (this is where I use 0.025mm increments near the end).
3. Send G92 Z0.
4. Raise the head 5mm.
5. Send G30 S-1 to lower the probe until it triggers.
6. Read off the Z height in the web interface.
I usually repeat steps 4-6 a few times to make sure the trigger height is consistent. The H parameter for each point is (trigger height at that point) - (trigger height at centre of bed).
HTH David
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David, that's exactly what I was looking for - thank you!
(You might consider adding those steps to the wiki for clear instructions on setting an H value for each point)
Is there a way to set the web interface to jog at 0.020? I have the "half move rate" checked, which took it down to 0.05mm
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You could make a macro with a relative move. Something like this for going down:
G91 ; relative moves
G1 Z-0.020 ; go down a bit
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You could make a macro with a relative move. Something like this for going down:
G91 ; relative moves
G1 Z-0.020 ; go down a bit
G90 ; absolute movesThat's exactly what I do, except I use 0.025mm because that is an exact number of microsteps on my printer.
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Mine's at 80 steps/mm
As an aside, I'm only calibrating down to 0.06 now, so hoping this makes a big improvement
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When you say, "just gripping a piece of paper, is that until the paper can't move, or until we feel some resistance?
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One thing i found out while doing this was that my endstops were loosely goosey… i tightened them up and now at least i can get repeatable results
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When you say, "just gripping a piece of paper, is that until the paper can't move, or until we feel some resistance?
I lower the nozzle until i can feel a significant resistance. The important thing is to be consistent.
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What do you guys think about my H-values… most of them are negative... i'd expect for them to be centered around zero, not mainly negative?
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Qdeathstar, in what way does the auto calibration got worse?
Your H values seems ok to me, I am probing 32 points and my H values add up to 1.6
I don't think the effect of the end effector tilt would simply make them center around 0 -
Sorry, i did not find the real trigger height, i subtracted z-values (which made the h-values the inverse of what they needed to be)… I think i have the issue fixed, im testing now. The z-height overall was a little low on the first go.
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Glad to hear you got it solved
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well, i got that part of it solved but now it seems like the area across from the y tower is a little low and the area close to the y tower heading around to the z-tower is low…
i'm wondering if i can make manual adjustments to the H values to dial it in?
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You should only use H corrections to compensate for actual variations in trigger height, which on a delta printer are usually caused by effector tilt. If you are still getting significant errors close to points that are included in the auto calibration bed probing, either fix the geometrical errors that are causing them, or use the new grid bed compensation in the 1.17dev6 build after auto calibration to compensate for them.
I have it on my list to add a wiki page on delta calibration.
