Prints are warping
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@engikeneer So will my printer always set Z0 to where the probe is triggered, and I have to ell it (using the Z offset) where to put the nozzle in relation to the Z0, set by the probe?
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@engikeneer And how do I stop a " the height map has a substantial Z offset. Suggest use Z-probe to establish Z=0 datum, then re-probe the mesh.
30 points probed, min error -1.656, max error -1.329, mean -1.461, deviation 0.088
Height map saved to file 0:/sys/heightmap.csv" warning? -
@tratoon you can use G92 once when determining the z offset, but not after.
My preferred approach is to set G31 Z0 (I.e. zero offset). Then probe the centre of the bed with a single G30. Then move z down until the nozzle just touches your bed. For a BLTouch, should be 1-2mm ish. Whatever that value is goes in G31 Z
You can then tweak it a little bit if you find your first layer is too squished, or not squished enough
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@engikeneer Thank you very much, that solved my problem
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@tratoon re the warning message on the heightmap, you need to home z using your probe before creating your heightmap and before you load it. If you don't, it doesn't know where z=0 is (or thinks it's in the wrong place) so the heightmap ends up offset
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@engikeneer I just needed to set the Z Offset, what you are saying doesn't make sense, as the printer won't probe unless all axis are homed.
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@tratoon yes thats right.
However if you use a G92 Z0, or home Z with an endstop instead of the probe, it will allow you to run mesh, but you may get the error
Also, now you have created a mesh, you don't have to reprobe the whole bed every print, you can just load the existing heightmap that is now saved to the SD card with G29 S1. I have a 400 point mesh for my printer that takes over an hour to run, but is stable enough that I only have to redo it if I take the printer to pieces. I just have to make sure I home z with the BLTouch before I load the heightmap for each printer.
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@engikeneer , @infiniteloop, @Günter-Jibben I just started a print, and I used baby stepping to lower the nozzle during the first layer. However, when the second layer started printing, the nozzle was too low and was scraping the part, and that caused my filament sensor to pause the print as it was at 2% extrusion. Why is it that the nozzle had to be lower for the first layer but higher for all the layers after that. For the first layer, the babystep offset was -0.20, and for the layers after that, it had to be 0.04 is this normal, because I don't have this issue on my other 3D printers.
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@tratoon said in Prints are warping:
For the first layer, the babystep offset was -0.20, and for the layers after that, it had to be 0.04 is this normal?
Definitely not. Either the steps/mm for Z are wrong, or the nozzle pushed the bed down on the first layer. A third reason I can imagine are wrong settings in the slicer (1st layer height?).
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@infiniteloop first layer height is 0.3 rest are .25
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Nozzle didn't push bed down as the nozzle was 2mm higher than the bed
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And on the fifth layer or so, it completely stopped extruding. And I had to push filament into the extruder and then it would extrude. What is going on?
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@tratoon Is it possible you have the wrong filament diameter set in your slicer?
Or you have extrusion set to some amount other than 1.0?
Can you post the STL and GCODE for your 20mm block again and I'll compare to my settings.
SeemeCNC Rostock Max V3 converted to V3.2 with a Duet2 Ethernet Firmware 3.2 and SE300
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@alankilian Which 20mm block?
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@alankilian Here is a XYZ calibration cubeCube.gcode
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@alankilian My filament diameter is correct. I looked up "extrusion" in Cura no relevant setting, so by that, I think you mean flow, which is set to 100%
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Some thoughts...
Would be interesting to see a print of only the first layer. If the nozzle height isn't right, and the first layer isn't spot on, that can lead to warping.
I can't see at a glance from the thread whether you ever put the filament you're using in. The level of warpage makes me think it's ABS. Having the right bed heat and the right nozzle temp are crucial whatever the filament, but ABS I find to be quite picky on PEI. Also, the temp the bed reports is not always the actual bed surface temp. Personally I print ABS at 250C on a bed temp of 125 for the first layer and it prints pretty well as long as the geometry isn't fighting a good print.
Sharp corners can lead to warping. While you're tuning, trying working with a cube with rounded edges instead of square edges. If you absolutely, positively, MUST print square corners, make your first layer super slow to try to avoid lifting.
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@spoonunit I'm almost 90% sure I fixed the warpage issue as before I could see warping on the 3rd layer, but now it is gone. My problem now is that somehow, my Z-Offset is different for the first layer and filament stops coming out at the 5th layer, and I have to reload the filament and resume the print. I'm printing PLA at 205C (nozzle) and 65C (bed). Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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@tratoon Personally, I print PLA at 220 for layer 1 and 210 for subsequent layers on a bed of 85 for first layer and 65 for subsequent layers. How confident are you that your bed is reaching temperature? The reason I ask is that, for my bed, the temperature reports as 85 much sooner than the surface of the bed actually reaches that temperature. Adding a significant pause to allow the heat to soak in can help, or, as I do, you can hook up a thermistor to the bed and configure this as a chamber in the Duet and await it to actually reach the target temperature.
The fact the filament stops coming out suggests that you are encountering a jam. There are many possible reasons, but one is that the hot end isn't reaching the temperature you set. Another potential reason is over-agressive retraction settings.
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@tratoon said in Prints are warping:
And on the fifth layer or so, it completely stopped extruding. And I had to push filament into the extruder and then it would extrude. What is going on?
Check if the extruder is clean... maybe the teeth of the conveyor rollers are clogged with abrasion?
Check whether the pressure (spring tension) of the conveyor rollers is still OK.
Maybe the nozzle was also clogged, this often happens when the retract is set too high, especially with TPU it is the case, so you should print TPU without retract if possible.
Do a PID tuning for the hotend and for the print bed and enter the results in the config.g.
I would also meticulously measure the steps of all axes and the extruder again and correct the values in config.g if necessary.
To rule out problems with the slicer settings, use a standard profile or use a different slicer.
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----- Original Text -----Kontrolliere ob der Extruder sauber ist... vielleicht sind die Verzahnungen der Förderrollen mit Abrieb verstopft ?
Kontrolliere ob der Andruck (Federspannung) der Förderrollen noch OK ist.
Vielleicht war auch die Düse verstopft, das passiert gerne mal wenn der Retract zu hoch eingestellt ist, besonders bei TPU ist es der Fall, daher soll man TPU wenn möglich ohne Retract drucken.
Mache ein PID-Tuning für das Hotend und für das Druckbett und trage die ermittelten Ergebnisse in der config.g ein.
Ich würde auch die Steps aller Achsen und des Extruders noch einmal penibel vermessen und die Werte wenn nötig in der config.g korrigieren.
Um Probleme der Slicer-Einstellungen ausschließen zu können, nutze ein Standart-Profil oder nutze auch gerne einmal einen anderen Slicer.
