Solved Very stubborn print quality issue
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@hbm-3d
Are the lines parallel or spiral? It's difficult to tell from the photos, but I think they are parallel? -
@rjenkinsgb They are parallel.
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@dad003 above I said that the ballscrews are locked in place by linear rails. Also if that were the case than it would not change with the layer height is my guess.
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What do the inside of the square prints look like - flat, ridged with the ridges matching outer ridges or ridges alternating in & out??
Robert J.
Printers: Overlord pro, Kossel XL+ with Duet 6HC and "Frankentron", TronXY X5SA Pro converted to E3D toolchange with Duet 6HC and 1LC toolboards.
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@hbm-3d given that it seems to be an error based on layer number, my guess would be some sort of compounding error in either firmware or maybe mismatched slicer settings.
Steps/mm on Z or E causing some sort of trailing offset.I'd start by trying to confirm that the machine really is doing what is commanded in Z and E.
It's that or you have really really bad CPE on the ballscrews.
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I know this sounds weird but it could be drag on the filament spool. I recently had this with a cardboard spool on a printed spool holder -- just too much friction and the filament needed a good yank from the extruder to move. If you're not using a bearing based roller, it might be worth looking into one. (would also explain why this is less expressed with 0.3 layer height because more material being pushed means more continuous pull on the spool).
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@rjenkinsgb As far as i can see they are matching the outside.
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@oliof Good idea but the spool holder is the same as before it had issues.
Also, it is not bearing based but it is also guided all the way so there is no yank, the tension is fairly steady throughout. -
Ok the plot thickens. I printed a simple square, no infill, just 3 perimeters @ 150mm/s with 0.15mm layer height.
The only difference is the size, 100x100, 200x200 & 400x400.Here is the result (forget the writings):
I'm lost...
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what extruder and hotend are you using? bowden or direct?
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@oliof Direct. Phaetus dragon with bondtech cht nozzle and sherpa extruder with ldo motor.
Ok here's what I think now. It must be extruder related somehow. It isn't the Z-axis or it would not change depending on layer height or even object size as it does now.
It is definitly something driven or mechanical since it is way to consistent to be something like material unevenness.The main indicator is that the pattern size increased by object size or vice versa. The smaller the object, the larger the gaps become. Bigger object, so more material extruded, is lower interval. It almost looks like it is overextruding every X meters of filament.
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please check that the drive gears on the sherpa are still aligned to each other and inline with the filament path (I've seen some lose position elsewhere which can cause weird issues). Also make sure your hotend fan is still working correctly. Since you have identical printers next to this, maybe switching out the extruder and hotend from another one to this is easier/faster to ensure they are or are not part of the issue here.
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Are the config files identical between the machines?
Any chance of a typo in this one, like the extruder being in bang-bang mode?
Have you tried the hotend thermistor, as I suggested at the start of the thread?
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M584 X0.4 Y0.5 Z0.0:0.1:0.2:0.3 E1.0 ; set drive mapping
M350 X256 Y256 Z64 E32 I0 ; configure microstepping without interpolation
M92 X800.00 Y800.00 Z12820.00 E1402.00 ; set steps per mm
M566 X900.00 Y900.00 Z150.00 E900.00 ; set maximum instantaneous speed changes (mm/min)
M203 X30000 Y30000 Z300 E12000 ; set maximum speeds (mm/min)
M201 X2000 Y2000 Z150 E1500 ; set accelerations (mm/s^2)
M906 X2000 Y2000 Z2000 E500 I50 ; set motor currents (mA) and motor idle factor in per cent
M84 S30 ; Set idle timeout;Hotend 1
M308 S1 P"1.temp0" Y"thermistor" T100000 B4725 C7.06e-8 ; configure sensor 1 as thermistor on pin 1.temp0
M950 H1 C"1.out0" T1 ; create nozzle heater output on 1.out0 and map it to sensor 1
M307 H1 B0 S1.00 ; disable bang-bang mode for heater and set PWM limit
M143 H1 S280 ; set temperature limit for heater 1 to 280C -
Ok so new update.
Swapped the Sherpa extruder for a brand new orbiter, changed the steps/mm etc accordingly.
No change.Tried 3rd roll of filament that came from another printer that printed fine with it.
No change.Unrolled a couple of meters of filament to eliminate the spoolholder.
No change.It is something that changes based on a certain amount of extruded filament but it is not the extruder...
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@hbm-3d said in Very stubborn print quality issue:
Swapped the Sherpa extruder for a brand new orbiter, changed the steps/mm etc accordingly.
No change.Was that the extruder only, or the complete hot end system?
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How does the temperature graph for the hotend look, is the temperature reading stable?
Have you tried another hotend/thermistor/heat element? -
@hbm-3d said in Very stubborn print quality issue:
It is something that changes based on a certain amount of extruded filament but it is not the extruder...
Is it time or filament length based? Maybe do a couple of single wall prints the same size with different wall thicknesses to check
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@hbm-3d change between relative/absolute values for E. See if that does anything. You'll need to change in both RRF and slicer.
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i'm 90% sure its your bed heat cycle .
try to print without heating the bed .
