Push-Pull Extruder Setup

NitroFreak

I think that´s pretty overkill, the easiest solution is to use 4mm ID PTFE tube for, like the 3mm filaments.
That will already reduce friction by alot.

arhi

@NitroFreak said in Push-Pull Extruder Setup:

I think that´s pretty overkill, the easiest solution is to use 4mm ID PTFE tube for, like the 3mm filaments.
That will already reduce friction by alot.

That's what I do I run filament 1.75 trough 4mm tube and 3mm trough 6mm tube and I never noticed any issues when using decent extruders. The TT solution was used as they had issues with that motor as they underpowered it to keep it cold and supposedly when you have a stuck filament on roll it would start skiping steps (not a notch but you know how a single coil can get stuck between other coils and the side of the spool and you need just a little bit more power to release it). I never had that version so this is just info from their forum the UP!plus2 I got was changed a bit (different bed, bed leveling, z height probe, the extruder motor was properly powered so gets rather hot and that thing to pull filament from spool was gone... it's I think the most reliable extruder I ever used!!! the whole combo extruder+hotend smaller, lighter and works awesome... the only problem is that it's not for PLA, everything else including TPU works awesome)

gtj0

@NitroFreak said in Push-Pull Extruder Setup:

I think that´s pretty overkill, the easiest solution is to use 4mm ID PTFE tube for, like the 3mm filaments.
That will already reduce friction by alot.

That's what I do as well. With 4mm ID I don't have any issues.

dc42

@CTRDevelopments, I suggest you drive both extruders, but use a lower current for the earlier one in case the steps/mm don't quite match.

percar

I am using such a setup and have been using this for a number of year
At the current time I am using 2 bondtech QR extruders running them in series (not individual drivers)
This setup is working great I never have any issues with the filament skipping. One note I did experiment with using 2 drivers and using mixing ratio in the config.gcode in setup. This worked but the filament usage and time estimates were way off so I went back to just wiring the steppers in series

CTRDevelopments

Sorry for being slow in reply, I am printing up some parts to try to reduce the friction in the spool system and mount the second bowden extruder. Will report back once I have experimented

CTRDevelopments

Trying to setup the single tool. The extruder are connected to drives 3 & 4

M569 P3 S1 ; Drive 3 goes forwards, E0
M569 P4 S0 ; Drive 4 goes backwards, E1

M584 X0 Y5:6 Z7:8:9 E3:4 ; New drive mapping
M92 X320 Y320 Z1600 E880:417 ; Set steps per mm
M563 P0 D0 H1 ; Define tool 0
M567 P0 E1:1

But it doesnt seem to drive the second motor. Should the M563 have a definition M563 P0 D0:1 H1?

CTRDevelopments

Got it sorted, working really nicely now with the push-pull system, thanks for help Now all I need is a load filament macro to stop on motor skip

dc42

@CTRDevelopments said in Push-Pull Extruder Setup:

Now all I need is a load filament macro to stop on motor skip

You can do that, using stall detection. Just setup the stall parameters (M915), reduce extruder motor current (M913), and do a G1 H1 Exxx move.

CTRDevelopments

@dc42 said in Push-Pull Extruder Setup:

You can do that, using stall detection. Just setup the stall parameters (M915), reduce extruder motor current (M913), and do a G1 H1 Exxx move

DC, as I have two motors would it stop if either stalled?

M915 H200 E S10 R0 F0 ; set X and Y to sensitivity 4, do nothing when stall, unfiltered
M913 E30:30
G4 P100 ; wait 100ms
G91 ; use relative positioning
G1 H1 E3000 F3600

G90 ; back to absolute positioning
M400 ; make sure everything has stopped before we reset the motor currents
G4 P100 ; wait 400ms
M913 E100 ; motor currents back to 100%
G1 E50 F300 ; Purge

dc42

Yes it should stop when either stalls.

CTRDevelopments

Hi, having thought the push-pull was working nicely, and being out of filament for the past 6 weeks I have just got back to a mess on the bed. It looks like the initial extruder pushing up the bowden has exceeded the 'actual' extruder at the hotend. Its really strange though as I watched it on and off for 2 hours and it was perfect, they were matched exactly. Then this morning its not happy Are there moves in the slicer that could somehow negate the 'pushing' extruder?