Z-Axis in centimeters
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I'll check to see if my screw is M8. If it is, then I've been using the wrong settings this whole time.
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I've changed the value, and the Z-Axis seems to be more accurate, but I'll still have to print to see if anything has changed. Thanks for the help.
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@Super_Sonic_7036 3200 (micro) steps divided by 16x microstepping gives 200 full steps. A 1.8 degree motor has 200 full steps per revolution. If the lead of your screw is 1mm, then 1 revolution will move a nut fitted to the screw 1mm. So 3200 micro steps at 16x is correct for a 1mm lead screw. Note that I use the term "lead" and not "pitch". They happen to be the same for single start threads, but for multi start threads, the lead is the pitch multiplied by the number of starts. The diameter of the screw is irrelevant.
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I looked up my printer's specs, and I have a 4 start acme threaded leadscrew. So then what would I have to change in my calculations?
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@Super_Sonic_7036 we'd need to know how much movement one turn of the screw produces. Is it a TR8*8? Meaning 8mm diameter and 8mm movement from a single turn. These are most common in 3d printers.
The link I included earlier to the Prussian calculator site will let you enter your values and it will tell you your steps per mm.
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I just did the calculations, and I multiplied the pitch of an M8 (1.25) by how many starts my screw has (4), and I got 5. I put that into the Prusia calculator, and my steps per mm are now 640. I think I've finally got it right. I'm testing my new value by printing a benchy.
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Here's the bare bones kit I'm using in case it helps.
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@Super_Sonic_7036 said in Z-Axis in centimeters:
I just did the calculations, and I multiplied the pitch of an M8 (1.25) by how many starts my screw has (4), and I got 5. I put that into the Prusia calculator, and my steps per mm are now 640. I think I've finally got it right. I'm testing my new value by printing a benchy.
That looks about right. An easy way to measure the pitch accurately is to measure across a number of thread peaks, then divide the answer by the number of threads. So for example, if you measure 10 threads and get 12.5mm, then the pitch is 1.25mm. That technique reduces the error.
So 1.25mm pitch x 4 start gives a lead of 5mm (as you said). We know that 1 revolution of the motor is 200 full steps, therefore (200/5 = ) 40 full steps gives us 1mm of movement. 40 full steps x 16 micro-steps gives (micro) 640 steps per mm.
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Upon testing, I now have the right heights in mm. Thanks for the help!
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I have never known a 8mm diameter Acme thread to have a pitch of 1.25 I am more likely to think it will be a TR8x8 which would give you a steps of 400.
Every TR8 lead screw that is a multi start I have ever come across have a pitch of 2mm so yours with 4 starts would have a lead of 8mm.
HTH
Doug
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Very interesting. Despite the fact of me figuring out my problem for the most part, My prints are appearing to be very stretched in the Z direction. I might want to consider changing it to a TR8x8. Thanks for the help.
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I know that this is a bit redundant, but I reset my steps per millimeter to 400, and this time, I've finally got it. I would like to thank you all in this thread for making my printer the best it can be. And so, thank you all again for the amount of help you've given me.
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To summarize, I set my Z steps per mm to 400.
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That's a cool benchy though you gotta admit.
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@Super_Sonic_7036 said in Z-Axis in centimeters:
To summarize, I set my Z steps per mm to 400.
Which means that the lead of your screw is 4mm not 5mm. If it's a 4 start thread, then the pitch is 1mm not 1.25mm.
For info, it's generally a good idea not to rely on microstepping for positional accuracy. 400 (mico( steps per mm means that 1 full step will be 0.04mm so use layer heights which are multiples of that. So 0.2 or 0.4 but avoid 0.3 for example. -
@Super_Sonic_7036 I found this the other day on the Printbot forums about the 'Z Lead screw 4 start Upgrade', but didn't post it because you said you had it fixed. https://www.printrbottalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=80&t=11294#p72399
The steps/mm setting is (200 steps/rev * 16 microsteps/step) / (8mm/rev) or 3200/8.
3200 / 8 = 400
FYI an 'ACME' thread is the shape of the thread, not the pitch. I thought it meant it was an imperial/inch thread, but not so.
Ian
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@droftarts said in Z-Axis in centimeters:
I thought it meant it was an imperial/inch thread, but not so.
think you're right about that, the metric counterpart are just called trapezoidal and have a 30 degree angle instead of the 29 for the Acme.
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To be pedantic, "trapezoidal" refers to the thread form (essentially the peaks and troughs have the pointy bit chopped off which helps to alleviate binding), so ACME threads are also trapezoidal. There is an ISO standard for metric lead screws but it's seldom followed. Tr denotes that the thread form is trapezoidal. The number after the Tr is the nominal diameter. This is followed by "X nn" which is the lead. For a single start thread, this is also the pitch. For multi start threads, the pitch should be shown in parenthesis e.g. (P2) but this is often omitted. So a TR8 x 8 means a lead screw of 8mm diameter and 8mm lead. Technically it should be referred to as a TR8 x 8 (P2) where P2 means it has a 2mm pitch and so therefore we can deduce that it is a 4 start thread. What we often see is Tr8x 8 screws with the (Pn) omitted and being referred to as having 8mm pitch which is absolutely not true.
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Yeah, an Acme thread is a trapezoidal thread, but a metric TR8 is not an acme thread.
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@bearer said in Z-Axis in centimeters:
Yeah, an Acme thread is a trapezoidal thread, but a metric TR8 is not an acme thread.
Exactly so. Also the word "Acme" is from the Greek and means the highest point or peak. Which is ironic for something which has it's peaks chopped off.
It's also a myth that the first Acme threads were used by Wile E Coyote.
