Grid bed compensation
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@CaLviNx:
Just a question to get it clear in my head.
If I want to reduce layer height i.e. Squish the layers down a bit.
Is that done by increasing or reducing the Z trigger height number?
I find it helps to think of it like this:- The trigger height is the distance from when the probe triggers to the point where the nozzle will just touch the bed. So, say for example it is 2.0mm. What are "telling" the machine is that to just touch the bed, it needs to move a further 2.0mm from the point where the probe triggers. So if your first layer needs to be 0.3mm then the machine will move in Z by 1.7mm (2.0-0.3). If you want the first layer to be squashed a bit then you have "tell" the machine that the trigger height is greater i.e 2.1 mm then it'll "think" that it has to move 1.8mm (2.1-0.3) in Z from the point where the probe triggered. Conversely if the first layer is squashed too much, then you have to "tell" the machine not to move so far after the trigger point so reduce it.
Well that works for me. Otherwise just think that less is more:)
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I have created a wiki page on grid bed compensation at https://duet3d.com/wiki/Using_mesh_bed_compensation.
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Hi Russ,
Can you post your heightmap.csv file? The height correction for points outside the probed radius should be zero, so if you are getting a 5mm difference that suggests that you have about 5mm correction within the probed radius, unless there is a bug that I haven't seen yet.
sorry for my amazing delays
here is 3 hight maps:
R130 with no auido cal.. RepRapFirmware height map file v1 generated at 2016-11-29 08:43 xmin,xmax,ymin,ymax,radius,spacing,xnum,ynum -125.00,125.10,-125.00,125.10,130.00,25.00,11,11 0,0,0,0,0.734,0.760,0.759,0,0,0,0 0,0,0.756,0.738,0.760,0.780,0.813,0.808,0.881,0,0 0,0.718,0.748,0.762,0.797,0.835,0.872,0.893,0.939,1.002,0 0,0.725,0.766,0.784,0.824,0.875,0.906,0.944,1.019,1.075,0 0.699,0.753,0.802,0.825,0.878,0.947,0.962,0.994,1.077,1.113,1.196 0.742,0.788,0.847,0.888,0.937,1.029,1.056,1.072,1.141,1.138,1.242 0.778,0.851,0.916,0.974,1.030,1.082,1.146,1.177,1.191,1.233,1.265 0,0.935,0.978,1.048,1.091,1.114,1.191,1.232,1.263,1.278,0 0,1.012,1.072,1.129,1.198,1.218,1.220,1.273,1.294,1.319,0 0,0,1.162,1.210,1.256,1.306,1.291,1.285,1.268,0,0 0,0,0,0,1.354,1.383,1.389,0,0,0,0 R130 with auido cal S3 RepRapFirmware height map file v1 generated at 2016-11-29 08:55 xmin,xmax,ymin,ymax,radius,spacing,xnum,ynum -125.00,125.10,-125.00,125.10,130.00,25.00,11,11 0,0,0,0,0.081,-0.016,-0.139,0,0,0,0 0,0,0.209,0.156,0.077,0.019,-0.079,-0.078,-0.153,0,0 0,0.263,0.191,0.147,0.082,0.038,-0.038,-0.066,-0.084,-0.094,0 0,0.248,0.148,0.128,0.073,0.012,-0.044,-0.030,-0.049,-0.023,0 0.254,0.212,0.138,0.121,0.104,0.018,-0.022,-0.009,-0.053,0.010,0.206 0.218,0.188,0.147,0.122,0.113,0.045,0.009,-0.009,-0.046,0.028,0.138 0.188,0.182,0.154,0.122,0.088,0.076,0.022,-0.021,-0.016,-0.015,0.194 0,0.150,0.144,0.094,0.059,0.043,0.021,0.003,-0.008,-0.000,0 0,0.157,0.138,0.119,0.063,-0.001,-0.008,-0.027,-0.015,0.041,0 0,0,0.141,0.118,0.093,0.022,-0.051,-0.088,-0.093,0,0 0,0,0,0,0.105,0.056,-0.023,0,0,0,0 R80 with auido cal S3 RepRapFirmware height map file v1 generated at 2016-11-29 09:11 xmin,xmax,ymin,ymax,radius,spacing,xnum,ynum -70.00,70.10,-70.00,70.10,80.00,10.00,15,15 0,0,0,0,2.091,2.071,2.054,2.025,1.990,1.962,1.948,0,0,0,0 0,0,2.129,2.110,2.091,2.059,2.044,2.026,1.998,1.982,1.971,1.976,1.956,0,0 0,2.126,2.128,2.109,2.096,2.062,2.047,2.012,1.979,1.957,1.954,1.975,1.973,1.974,0 0,2.131,2.124,2.109,2.097,2.081,2.053,2.032,2.009,1.994,1.973,1.968,1.963,1.959,0 2.116,2.109,2.106,2.097,2.097,2.063,2.029,2.004,1.985,1.959,1.969,1.984,1.990,1.974,1.937 2.120,2.113,2.109,2.110,2.112,2.097,2.051,2.020,1.999,1.981,1.980,1.979,1.970,1.964,1.978 2.116,2.100,2.099,2.110,2.109,2.090,2.060,2.018,2.000,1.986,1.988,1.979,1.965,1.950,1.936 2.120,2.103,2.110,2.109,2.109,2.089,2.068,2.035,2.003,2.009,1.997,1.991,1.978,1.966,1.948 2.122,2.112,2.106,2.106,2.097,2.091,2.074,2.060,2.031,2.004,1.991,1.976,1.978,1.961,1.966 2.134,2.121,2.106,2.097,2.087,2.085,2.078,2.069,2.061,2.034,2.011,1.990,1.977,1.963,1.974 2.135,2.109,2.094,2.070,2.054,2.049,2.044,2.044,2.047,2.040,2.009,2.000,1.981,1.963,1.978 0,2.113,2.084,2.057,2.046,2.041,2.041,2.046,2.043,2.028,2.025,2.007,1.991,1.983,0 0,2.107,2.094,2.073,2.047,2.040,2.038,2.034,2.025,2.014,2.008,1.993,1.993,1.996,0 0,0,2.087,2.071,2.056,2.029,2.028,2.026,2.022,2.019,2.013,1.997,1.997,0,0 0,0,0,0,2.054,2.031,2.006,1.988,1.979,1.984,1.999,0,0,0,0things sure seem odd to me…
however when cutting this space i probed it really looks good... ????
Thanks!!!!
~Russ
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i can make a video if you want to see what i'm talking about. past the probed area. now one thing to think about is that i do a auto cal with an S3 then run the bed comp, in that process i set the probe to trigger in the " window" of the new "bed" (PCB in my case) and set everything to 0 height. so when i run the g29, it probes correctly. otherwise it will already be triggered due to the extra bed height from the approx 2.5mm PCB. however i'm only probing the PCB and nothing off that. so its as if its thinking its lower past the PCB on to the " bed"
any how let me know if you have any thoughts on this and ill try some stuff for ya if you have some ideas .
thanks!!
~Russ
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I have created a wiki page on grid bed compensation at https://duet3d.com/wiki/Using_mesh_bed_compensation.
thanks for create yet another great write-up/tutorial. It was very easy to follow and understand. I do have a question/request. Can you briefly explain how to interpret the results? What's good vs bad? How can you tell if the results of the compensations will be beneficial?
my results are below using the standard setttings
Thanks
[[language]] RepRapFirmware height map file v1 generated at 2017-00-08 01:21, mean error 0.03, deviation 0.15 xmin,xmax,ymin,ymax,radius,spacing,xnum,ynum -120.00,120.10,-120.00,120.10,130.00,20.00,13,13 0, 0, 0, 0, 0.071, -0.208, -0.136, -0.057, -0.009, 0, 0, 0, 0 0, 0, 0.308, 0.122, 0.027, -0.030, -0.021, -0.070, -0.121, -0.135, 0.198, 0, 0 0, 0.174, -0.101, -0.150, -0.152, -0.108, 0.008, 0.065, 0.108, 0.200, 0.314, 0.459, 0 0, 0.345, 0.212, 0.119, 0.084, 0.017, 0.026, -0.017, -0.028, -0.067, -0.029, 0.154, 0 0.251, -0.130, -0.146, -0.135, -0.097, -0.086, 0.025, 0.081, 0.156, 0.259, 0.372, 0.467, 0.533 0.363, 0.217, 0.119, 0.038, -0.010, -0.056, -0.059, -0.057, -0.059, -0.049, -0.012, 0.007, 0.156 -0.057, -0.206, -0.173, -0.142, -0.106, -0.059, -0.032, 0.042, 0.121, 0.185, 0.261, 0.327, 0.347 0.070, 0.054, 0.030, -0.007, -0.029, -0.075, -0.077, -0.067, -0.057, -0.067, -0.083, -0.083, 0.093 -0.171, -0.235, -0.193, -0.141, -0.085, -0.041, 0.017, 0.056, 0.119, 0.168, 0.203, 0.186, 0.157 0, -0.134, -0.103, -0.105, -0.097, -0.046, -0.000, -0.017, -0.060, -0.074, -0.106, -0.036, 0 0, -0.172, -0.224, -0.140, -0.058, 0.038, 0.114, 0.141, 0.119, 0.121, 0.082, -0.011, 0 0, 0, -0.114, -0.041, 0.028, 0.001, -0.008, 0.048, 0.047, -0.049, 0.054, 0, 0 0, 0, 0, 0, 0.121, 0.100, 0.143, 0.175, 0.147, 0, 0, 0, 0 -
G29 bed compensation will benefit you if:
1. The height map you get is repeatable if you run G29 more than once. You can use the P parameter to specify a filename for the height map so that you can have more than one.
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2. Your Z=0 height setting is generally more accurate all over the bed with compensation enabled than without. So use the paper test to check how accurate Z=0 is at various points on the bed, with and without compensation enabled.
In some areas, your height map varies faster than I would expect, for example 0.363 followed by -0.057 on the left hand side. If this only happens at the edges of the print area, it could mean that you have reached the limit of movement of the joints.
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G29
In some areas, your height map varies faster than I would expect, for example 0.363 followed by -0.057 on the left hand side. If this only happens at the edges of the print area, it could mean that you have reached the limit of movement of the joints.
I have seen this for sure. took me a while to figure it out. its small but its there.
~Russ
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I have created a wiki page on grid bed compensation at https://duet3d.com/wiki/Using_mesh_bed_compensation.
In Using mesh bed compensation > Checking the trigger height > "3. Send M208 Z-3 to temporarily allow Z moves down to Z=-3mm."
I believe it should read "Send M208 Z-3 S1 …", otherwise 'Z-3' becomes the new Z-axis max travel limit. -
Thank you, I have corrected it.
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I'm loving the web interface, but I was annoyed with swiss alps as the reading from the bed mapping. So i purchased some new ecocast tooling plate from the aluminium warehouse (which looks flat to me) and re-ran the bed mapping. I'm using DC42's IR sensor, and its straight onto the top of the aluminium cast tooling plate.
I still get the Swiss Alps - can anyone suggest what is going on?
I get a similar trace from both sides of two sheets of ecocast
Also when running auto bed compensation from the web interface, it seems the bed is well below the surface - yet i've calibrated the system according to the grid bed wiki guide. I'm working on the angle, as it would seem something is not flat on my printer bed.
Any help gratefully received….
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and here is the bed file, of another run:
RepRapFirmware height map file v1, mean error -0.68, deviation 0.24
xmin,xmax,ymin,ymax,radius,spacing,xnum,ynum
40.00,240.00,20.00,220.00,-1.00,20.00,11,11
-0.209, -0.239, -0.680, -0.433, -0.411, -0.539, -0.924, -0.377, -0.448, -0.751, -1.148
-0.263, -0.801, -0.364, -0.404, -0.672, -0.803, -0.520, -0.655, -1.017, -0.631, -0.571
-0.286, -0.202, -0.485, -0.892, -0.488, -0.396, -0.830, -0.675, -0.552, -0.616, -1.123
-0.522, -0.810, -0.453, -0.478, -0.921, -0.594, -0.517, -0.916, -1.042, -0.658, -0.584
-0.421, -0.510, -0.988, -0.500, -0.379, -0.751, -0.860, -0.744, -0.505, -0.990, -0.707
-0.549, -0.470, -0.658, -1.057, -0.542, -0.473, -0.776, -0.892, -0.621, -0.562, -1.025
-0.995, -0.537, -0.493, -0.722, -0.990, -0.648, -0.633, -0.941, -0.722, -0.522, -0.719
-0.946, -0.717, -0.534, -0.768, -1.101, -0.643, -0.547, -0.648, -0.968, -0.539, -0.547
-1.020, -0.739, -0.616, -0.685, -1.163, -0.589, -0.429, -0.732, -0.985, -0.534, -0.451
-1.148, -0.685, -0.574, -0.756, -1.081, -0.677, -0.490, -1.429, -0.921, -0.601, -0.547
-0.906, -0.670, -0.677, -1.096, -0.628, -0.485, -0.751, -1.076, -0.525, -0.389, -0.732 -
On DC42s blog write up https://miscsolutions.wordpress.com/mini-height-sensor-board/, he talks about bed surfaces and states " Bright aluminium: not suitable unless the sensor is modified to reduce its sensitivity, because the strong reflection will saturate the sensor." You state that you are probing straight onto the top of the aluminium tooling plate so maybe that's where things are going a bit haywire. Maybe paint the plate matt black? - I use stove paint and bake it in the oven. HTH
Ian -
I get a similar trace when doing it on printbite, which is why I got some new plate. I'll find some black card and insert between the printbite and plate to see if that helps first.
Thanks for the tip.
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I get a similar trace when doing it on printbite, which is why I got some new plate. I'll find some black card and insert between the printbite and plate to see if that helps first.
Thanks for the tip.
DC does recommend painting the plate black if you are using glass. I know printbite isn't glass but it's still fairly transparent so maybe the same applies? Black card has to be worth a try. Stove paint is a bit expensive so I can understand that you'd want to be sure it will work. Ian
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Couldn't find any card, so thought running the grid probe in the dark….
Amazes me it works, but oh well... ordered some paint, for sake of £7, has to be worth a try.....
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It does seem unlikely that your tooling plate is that uneven. So its either mechanical play or a sensor issue. I found the IR sensor to be quite good with printbite, no real issues with it. However perhaps try a contact sensor like the piezo system and see the difference.
This is what you want to see
I'm using 6mm tooling plate and printbite with a piezo hotend probe.
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I'm fairly sure there is no mechanical play, it's a metal v-slot build. May play with probing speeds and sensor drop height to see if that has any impact (2mm at moment). Paint should be here soon - but there is no way that the probe heightmap correlates to the actual bed.
I'd love to try a piezo, but no piezo/control board and need to think how to mount in a titan extruder.
Is there a way to desensitise dc's IR Probe?
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You can change the threshold value in G31 Px where x is the threshold from 0-1000 default 500.
Whether this will really smooth it out or just change the height at which it triggers by a few microns, I do not know.
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The IR probe should always be used with a trigger threshold of 500, because it only outputs 4 different values - about 0, 465, 535 and 1000.
I think what you are seeing is variation in trigger height caused by reflections from behind the glass. A sheet of black or other dark paper between the glass and the bed plate will substantially reduce the variation. I have used all of the following:
- Painting the aluminium bed plate black with heat-resistance paint, cured in an oven
- Black paper (found in the art supplied department of a stationery shop) between the bed heater and the glass
- Printing an A4 sheet of paper all black (except the margins) and putting it under the glass
- Spraying the back of the transparent surface black and curing the paint in an oven (I haven't tried this with glass, but it worked well for me with PEI).
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Well, I've ordered a board from Idris and piezo's from Ebay, so will have a play, once I figure out a suitable mount for a Titan extruder.
