Crimping tool?
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the main problem I was having with my iwiss set is that the jaws are so wide, I couldn't wrangle the little parts together because I couldn't see what I was doing. That kit with all of the interchangeable jaws looks like it'd have the same issue.
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@bearer said in Crimping tool?:
The gradual crimping by the Engineer tool is what makes it so much more flexible,
This is also their down side, not providing consistent results as a good, and often expensive, ratchet crimper.
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@gnydick said in Crimping tool?:
the main problem I was having with my iwiss set is that the jaws are so wide, I couldn't wrangle the little parts together because I couldn't see what I was doing. That kit with all of the interchangeable jaws looks like it'd have the same issue.
the jaws need to be that wide though, they are as wide as the crimps are
if you want to cheat, try this
- strip the wire to the right length
- put the wire into the crimp
- using your fingernails, squeeze the insulating end of the crimp so that it is gripping the insulation
- now when you insert the crimp into the crimper, the wire won't move around, making it easy
another tip is that some crimps come on reels, you might be inclined to clip it off of the reel first. DON'T! Cut the reel but keep that little tab attached to the crimp while you crimp, then cut off the tab.
and finally, do not: insert crimp into crimper, squeeze crimper half way, insert wire. Because that's how you end up not being able to see anything.
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after buying several amazon crimpers and having poor results I found this crimper, works fantastic! thought I would share.
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PA-09? Really?
This is my tool of choice:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00OMM4YUY/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Well made, works great, crimps both wire and insulation at the same time, as the universe intended.
Frederick
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@veti said in Crimping tool?:
@fcwilt said in Crimping tool?:
PA-09? Really?
whats your problem with the PA-09?
Well it is does not insure you complete the crimp, as does a tool with a ratchet.
It does not have replaceable/interchangeable "jaws".
It requires you to make two crimps rather than one.
And, at $39, it costs way too much for a tool as simple as it is.
The one I use and referenced is $23, which is nearly half the price of the PA-09 and has all of the features I mentioned that that PA-09 does not have.
To each their own but paying more for an inferior tool seems curious to me.
Frederick
Printers: A FT-5 with the 713 upgrade bits, a custom MarkForged style, a small Utilmaker style, a small CoreXY from kit and a E3D MS/TC setup. Various hotends. Using Duets (2 and 3) running 3.4.6
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@fcwilt said in Crimping tool?:
@veti said in Crimping tool?:
@fcwilt said in Crimping tool?:
PA-09? Really?
whats your problem with the PA-09?
Well it is does not insure you complete the crimp, as does a tool with a ratchet.
It does not have replaceable/interchangeable "jaws".
It requires you to make two crimps rather than one.
And, at $39, it costs way too much for a tool as simple as it is.
The one I use and referenced is $23, which is nearly half the price of the PA-09 and has all of the features I mentioned that that PA-09 does not have.
To each their own but paying more for an inferior tool seems curious to me.
Frederick
I'm sorry but that's just not the case, the PA09 if used correctly by someone who knows what they are doing produces perfect crimps...
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@calvinx said in Crimping tool?:
@fcwilt said in Crimping tool?:
@veti said in Crimping tool?:
@fcwilt said in Crimping tool?:
PA-09? Really?
whats your problem with the PA-09?
Well it is does not insure you complete the crimp, as does a tool with a ratchet.
It does not have replaceable/interchangeable "jaws".
It requires you to make two crimps rather than one.
And, at $39, it costs way too much for a tool as simple as it is.
The one I use and referenced is $23, which is nearly half the price of the PA-09 and has all of the features I mentioned that that PA-09 does not have.
To each their own but paying more for an inferior tool seems curious to me.
Frederick
I'm sorry but that's just not the case, the PA09 if used correctly by someone who knows what they are doing produces perfect crimps...
Of course you can make good crimps with it. I could make good crimps with a pair of needle nose pliers if I had to. I've been in the industry for more years than I care to remember.
But why pay more for a tool that does less?
Frederick
Printers: A FT-5 with the 713 upgrade bits, a custom MarkForged style, a small Utilmaker style, a small CoreXY from kit and a E3D MS/TC setup. Various hotends. Using Duets (2 and 3) running 3.4.6
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i have both the mdpc crimp tool and the pa-09.
I find that i use the pa-09 far more often. -
@fcwilt said in Crimping tool?:
To each their own but paying more for an inferior tool seems curious to me.
The advantage of Engineer's type of crimpers is that they are simple and more versatile. No need to change jaws and you can adapt independently to core an insulation crimping. A perfect tool for one-offs hobby and lab environment.
You will seldom find them in more professional and production environments when consistent quality is important. In those places, people typically use very expensive tools that are certified for the terminals being used.
As for the price, yes Engineer's crimpers are over priced and inferior IMO to this one https://iwiss.com/product/micro-open-barrel-crimping-tools-work-on-awg28-20-awg24-12-jam-molex-tyco-jst-terminals-and-connectors/
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@fcwilt said in Crimping tool?:
@calvinx said in Crimping tool?:
@fcwilt said in Crimping tool?:
@veti said in Crimping tool?:
@fcwilt said in Crimping tool?:
PA-09? Really?
whats your problem with the PA-09?
Well it is does not insure you complete the crimp, as does a tool with a ratchet.
It does not have replaceable/interchangeable "jaws".
It requires you to make two crimps rather than one.
And, at $39, it costs way too much for a tool as simple as it is.
The one I use and referenced is $23, which is nearly half the price of the PA-09 and has all of the features I mentioned that that PA-09 does not have.
To each their own but paying more for an inferior tool seems curious to me.
Frederick
I'm sorry but that's just not the case, the PA09 if used correctly by someone who knows what they are doing produces perfect crimps...
Of course you can make good crimps with it. I could make good crimps with a pair of needle nose pliers if I had to. I've been in the industry for more years than I care to remember.
But why pay more for a tool that does less?
Frederick
Here let me fix that for you : why pay more for a tool that "in my opinion" does less, the key word in that sentence is "opinion" and you know that opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one...
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IMO all crimping tools are crap because they aren't designed to be used by human beings with only two hands.
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@deckingman said in Crimping tool?:
aren't designed to be used by human beings with only two hands.
True that!
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@fcwilt said in Crimping tool?:
But why pay more for a tool that does less?
I have more crimping tools than I care to admit; but we're hobbyists, we don't do mass production so its for the most part quicker to grab the PA-09 from the desk than to go look for the correct crimper.
And in skilled hands it will allow you to make good crimps on things that don't really fit. I recently found myself crimping a 3mm delicate silicone heater wire to #26 wire with a but splice U terminal, and with careful manipulation of the terminal with the PA-09 I was able to get a good crimp both on the nichrome/fiberglass core, silicone sheath as well as the #26 wire. Can't do that with a fixed tool.
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@deckingman said in Crimping tool?:
IMO all crimping tools are crap because they aren't designed to be used by human beings with only two hands.
That why I prefer PA-09-like tools: it is much easier to insert the pin in the jaws, the insert the wire and crimp it. Ok, it needs two operations, but as someone said, it is much more universal.
I tried the PA-09 (and was planning to buy one), and found a big issue: the width is too small for Dupont connectors, which are the connectors I mostly use (for Arduinos).
So, I plan to order this one:
I use it at work, and it is very good, producing high quality crimping. But, as I said, I mostly use Dupont, and I don't know how it goes on smaller pins...
I admit it is pricy, though.
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@deckingman said in Crimping tool?:
IMO all crimping tools are crap because they aren't designed to be used by human beings with only two hands.
You lost me there. Why are two hands not enough?
Frederick
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one hand to hold the crimp tool. one to hold the connector and one to hold the cable.
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People need to learn how to use tools properly.
I’m still boggled that anyone would choose those janky manual crimpers over a proper set. This goes to show that people are unwilling to learn to do things properly, and are much happier to do a worse job if it seems easier to them. Yikes.
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@bot said in Crimping tool?:
I’m still boggled that anyone would choose those janky manual crimpers over a proper set.
I find the issue of matching the jaws to the pins I crimp to be confusing. For example, if I use KF2510 connectors from Ali, what are the correct jaws? The open style crimpers from Engineer iSwiss and others make it easier for me. I find the matching slot for the core and the insulation respectively and crimp.
