Is anybody else feeling the squeeze?
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@deckingman
Well, our government is talking about removing fuel duty, but I'm not going to hold my breath! I don't envy the successful Prime Minister candidate, because they will have a lot to sort out, not least the unions that are, or threatening to, strike over pay! -
@deckingman Wouldn't you be able to afford the loan payments based on the savings from the electric bill? That's how it is generally structured here in the US.
Personally - 100% of our household electricity usage is covered by solar, most of which I installed myself. Had a company do some panels on the roof, while I put panels on a shed and terrace myself. 9kw total, and $9,000 total cost to install, after tax credits. It'll break even after 7 years, and the parts are warrantied for 30.
Big fan of residential rooftop solar. No transmission losses, helps the grid not to be overloaded - in the afternoons, I generate enough to cover one or two of my neighbors, thereby reducing the strain on the feeder lines. Then at night I draw from the grid, but that's when the grid is most unloaded anyway.
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@elmoret I'm fast approaching 70 years of age - nobody is going to give me a 10 year loan. But aside from that, my small house is oriented the wrong way in relation to the sun azimuth. Also 30% of the roof is flat roof which won't take any kind of weight. I don't have outside space for a ground based array either.
But I do have a plan for heating. I get free logs delivered like this.........
....and this..........
which, with the aid of my chainsaw and hydraulic splitter I turn into this......
That's about 5 cubic metres of the 8 cubic metres I have in total which have been drying nicely in the sun all summer. So I'll be able to keep my wood burning stove going all winter without the need to burn much gas. Now I just need to figure out a way to cook on the wood burner
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@deckingman nah, what you need is to work out how to make a wood burning 3d printer!
In all seriousness, I guess this may be one where smaller printers (thinking Voron V0 etc) have the edge as most parts we print don't use the full bed...
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@deckingman said in Is anybody else feeling the squeeze?:
But I do have a plan for heating. I get free logs delivered like this.........
Nice decks you have Deckingman.
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@zapta said in Is anybody else feeling the squeeze?:
Nice decks you have Deckingman.
Thanks - they are quite few years old now and in need of some oil. I have to say that when I started stacking all those logs, I was a bit concerned about the weight that I was putting on my deck. Apparently, a cubic metre of hardwood weighs about a metric tonne when it's dry. When it's "green" and unseasoned, it's about half as much again. It certainly felt like when I was cutting and splitting it.
So that 5 cubic metres you see there is about 7.5 metric tonnes or about 16,530 pounds US. Roughly the weight of 3 large SUVs or 5 mid size family cars. But the deck hasn't sagged or cracked so I must have built it right. -
@deckingman said in Is anybody else feeling the squeeze?:
Then we'd need an area of about 65,000 km^2 of solar panels somewhere in sun at any time of the day
I thought of deserts (Gobi 1.3 Mio km², Sahara 9.2, Patagonia 0.6, west Australia, Arabia desert 0.2 => they will do it) with the added benefit for shadows and potentionally plants below the solar cells.
Instead of throwing energy away when there is too much wind or solar, I would use the excess for H20 to H, or filtering water, or recycling, splitting non-biodegradable platics to the molecules etc. This requires intelligent processes, this is what I meant with "we need innovators".
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A voice from the past
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@joergs5 Sandstorms might be wreak havoc, and servicing/ maintenance could be in issue in such remote and inhospitable locations. But however you look at it, it's an awful lot of solar panels which will take decades to produce, transport, and install and won't help the immediate problem. Imo, that problem has been bought about by short sighted governments and their obsession with their headlong dash to achieve net zero without having a reliable alternative energy source available. I'm sick and fed up with the global elite telling us we must all use less energy, and forcing us to do so by making it unaffordable, while they fly around the world in their private jets and 80 car motorcades. Our prime minister has told us that this is the price we must pay for the war the Ukraine, yet he won't be paying that price. We the taxpayer have to pay his energy bills along with the energy bills for every politician's second home which they claim on expenses.
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@deckingman the deserts were an example to reply that we have too few spaces. Spanish "desert" may be far better, without political problems and sandstorms.
I agree to most of your or the other user's comments about elite etc. However, I personally don't want to be sort of paralysed by this bad feeling and try to find or think about solutions - if nothing else helps, without the "elites".
I don't think the term elite is ideal because there are different aspects of it, for example wealth/power or intelligence. IMO we need much more intelligence elite. -
@joergs5 Maybe. But putting solar in urban areas such as roof tops and car parks makes more sense if there is enough room, because most of the infrastructure is already in place and access would be easier. Personally I think nuclear would be a better option because it's reliable 24/7 regardless of whether the sun shines. Fusion would solve the waste problem but that's decades away.
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@joergs5 said in Is anybody else feeling the squeeze?:
I don't think the term elite is ideal because there are different aspects of it, for example wealth/power or intelligence. IMO we need much more intelligence elite.
I believe that 'elite' is more about being in a position of power rather than about intelligence. I know many intelligent populists.
As for technical solutions, I think it misses the point. The problem is political rather than technological, misprioritizing virtue signaling related to the cathastrophic-man-made-global-warming narrative over the wellness of the populous. The solution is to remember it next time we vote.
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In an attempt to steer this away from the inevitable political discussion, and back to the title of this thread, does anyone else stop and ask themselves if their next planned print or printer upgrade is necessary and affordable? For me this is just a hobby so therefore falls into the category of things that can be cut back on in order to afford the basics necessary for survival (warmth, shelter and food). I'm not saying that I can't afford to print anything but what I am saying is that I pause and do a sort of subconscious cost/benefit analysis before pressing the button.
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@deckingman I do most of my printing on a Prusa Mini these days, which pulls about 60 watts with PLA. A 10 hour print would cost about 8 cents here in that case, which is a small fraction of the cost of the filament. Perhaps a smaller printer would help?
I’ve really only ever printed functional/useful things anyway, though.
Also - you’ve helped out on these forums quite a bit, have you thought about a Patreon or a PayPal link in your signature? I’d be happy to send the equivalent of many prints of electricity as thanks for your time spent here. Or perhaps offering to do some consulting work? I often get companies looking for help implementing Duet products, and don’t personally have the bandwidth to assist.
There’s always a solution beyond complaining! (Though I understand the need to let off steam)
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@deckingman said in Is anybody else feeling the squeeze?:
does anyone else stop and ask themselves if their next planned print or printer upgrade is necessary and affordable?
I always ask myself if it expenses are affordable and necessary, or as I call it 'justified and reasonable'. Excess of stuff is typically not an indicator of well being. As for cutting cost of living, we have bigger fishes to fry than electricity, for example, in what state/town we live (which also impacts electricity cost).
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@elmoret Sorry if you felt I was complaining - that's not in my nature (stiff upper lip old boy and all that British stuff).
I was just laying out the situation as it affects me and wondering if I was alone in my situation.As for Patreon and PayPal, I've spent very many hundreds more hours making YouTube videos and writing blog posts, than I do on these forums. Links to both my YouTube channel and blog are in my signature and they in turn have links to my Patreon and PayPal accounts. Whilst I have 1600 or so subscribers to my channel, very few people feel the urge to part with any cash. But don't get me wrong - I don't do it for the money. And I am very grateful to the Duet guys and other companies such as Bondtech, 3D Filaprint and Polymaker who have supported me by donating hardware. Without their help I wouldn't have a CoreXYUV with 6 extruders capable of multi colour (English spelling of color) printing and more recently multi-filament.
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@zapta Thanks for that - it's the sort of response I was hoping to get. Essentially what you seem to be saying is that electricity cost isn't really a factor and I can see why.
So here in the UK for domestic users, a KWhr current costs around 30p. Using today's exchange rate of 1.17 USD to the pound that's around 35 cents. So around three times the highest cost on that graphic. These prices will increase by 80% on 1st October making the cost of a kWh 52p or around 61 cents. That's five times your highest rate. Then in January there will be a further increase predicted to be at least another 50% making the cost of one kWh 78p which is around 91 cents. That's nearly eight time what you guys are paying.
The situation for businesses is much worse. There is no regulation or cap on what they can be charged and they are looking at increases of 300% or more. The typical English pub along with most small businesses, is on the verge of extinction with current electricity costs of £12,000 annually rising to over £35,000 and beyond.
I now understand what the "zero" is in government's net zero policy. It's what we'll have in our bank accounts and it's the number of small businesses still trading.
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@deckingman Had to dig a bit to find those links - often times people put them in the video description, but I found them in the About of the YouTube channel. Sent some $, keep up the good work!
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@elmoret Thanks - much appreciated. Recent videos should have links in the description but you often have to click the "show more" button. e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXFL6vNa0Xk. I'll move them up to make them more prominent in future.
EDIT. I've just checked my emails and seen one from PayPal. That was an extremely generous donation - thank you so much! I feel motivated again to make another video about my 6 in 1 out multi-material hot end which is mostly working. I might even fire up the printer and make something just for the hell of it. I have in mind an anti-vibration motor mount with two plates made from say ABS and Carbon Fibre Nylon with TPU between and using a support material for the top plate - all using the same nozzle. Watch this space.....
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@deckingman if that's a spherical panorama from your window, where's the house???
