Issues with pressure advance since RRF 3.4
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I also did the test you described but the corners are still bulging at PA 0.052 for PLA.
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Seeing this thread, I really wish I had spent time making that band-aid test print use a bit less plastic...
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I’ve looked at your print again and spotted holes in your infill lines. That’s usually due too much pressure advance. You are using your LGX lite in a direct drive setup? Then for PLA a value around 0.05 and 0.06 is usually the best value. For ABS it’s even lower.
I’m curious how your infill looks like. I’m also getting nice(er) corners with a much too high PA value (you are at 0.09?) but then also get holes in perimeters / solid fill and infill lines don’t connect anymore - what is to be expected with too high PA.@Wulfsta
Didn’t know you are registered here. Would have mentioned that the test print was from you. -
After synchronizing with @Argo what already has been tested and what not I wanted to rule out that the problem is caused by the 1LC toolboard.
Top: E stepper comnnected to a Duet3 3HC
Bottom: E stepper connected to 1LCSo at least we are now sure that it is not related to the 1LC.
My setup:
Same printer as @Argo
Duet3 6HC with 1LC and SBC running RRF 3.4.3
LGX extruder with Rapido HF hotend.config.g
; General preferences M111 S0 ; Debugging off G21 ; Work in millimetres G90 ; Send absolute coordinates... M83 ; ...but relative extruder moves M669 K1 ; Select CoreXY mode M564 S1 H1 ; Forbid axis movements when not homed G4 S1 ; wait for expansion boards to start ; Drives ; --- Z Drive map --- ; _______ ; | 3 | 4 | ; | ----- | ; | 2 | 5 | ; ------- ; front ; ; Drive directions M569 P0 S1 ; A (X) M569 P1 S1 ; B (Y) M569 P2 S1 ; Z1 M569 P3 S0 ; Z2 M569 P4 S1 ; Z3 M569 P5 S0 ; Z4 M569 P121.0 S1 ; E ; Motor mapping and steps per mm M584 X1 Y0 Z2:3:4:5 E121.0 M350 X16 Y16 Z16 E16 I1 ; Use 1/16 microstepping with interpolation everywhere M92 X80 Y80 Z400 E414.92683 ; Drive currents M906 X1500 Y1500 Z1500 E650 ; XYZ and E current M906 I30 ; Idle current percentage M84 S300 ; Idle timeout ; Accelerations and speed ;M566 X600 Y600 Z60 E8000 ; Set maximum instantaneous speed changes (mm/min) M566 X400 Y400 Z60 E8000 ; Set maximum instantaneous speed changes (mm/min) M203 X30000 Y30000 Z3000 E15000 ; Set maximum speeds (mm/min) M201 X10000 Y10000 Z250 E1800 ; Set maximum accelerations (mm/s^2) M204 P4000 T5000 ; Accelerometer ;M955 P121.0 I05 ; set address and orientation of tool board ; PA, DAA ;M572 D0 S0.05 M572 D0 S0.035 M593 P"zvdd" F35.2 ; Axis travel limits M208 X5 Y-5 Z0 S1 ; Set axis minima M208 X350 Y350 Z375 S0 ; Set axis maxima ; Endstops M574 X2 S1 P"^io1.in" ; Xmax endstop M574 Y2 S1 P"^io2.in" ; Ymax endstop ;M574 Z1 S1 P"^io3.in" ; Z endstop switch M574 Z1 P"nil" ; No endstop ; Z probes ;M558 K0 P8 C"121.io0.in" I1 H2.5 F250 T18000 A31 S0.0035 R0.2 ; set Z probe type to switch and the dive height + speeds ;G31 K0 P500 X0 Y25 Z8.74 ;M558 K1 P8 C"io3.in" I1 H2 F240 T18000 A31 S0.0035 R0.2 ; set Z probe type to switch and the dive height + speeds ;G31 K1 P500 X0 Y0 Z0 ; set Z probe trigger value, offset and trigger height -0.8 ; Filament Sensor ;M591 D0 P7 C"121.io2.in" S1 ; Bed leveling M671 X-53:-53:400:400 Y-5:420:420:-5 S20 ; Define Z belts locations (Front_Left, Back_Left, Back_Right, Front_Right) ;M557 X20:335 Y20:330 P5:5 M557 X120:235 Y120:230 P2:2 ; Bed heater M308 S0 P"temp0" Y"thermistor" T100000 B3950 ; configure sensor 0 as thermistor M950 H0 C"out1" T0 ; create bed heater output M307 H0 B0 S1.00 ; disable bang-bang mode for the bed heater and set PWM limit M140 H0 ; map heated bed to heater 0 M143 H0 S120 ; set temperature limit for heater ; Hotend heater ;M308 S1 P"121.temp1" Y"pt1000" M308 S1 P"121.temp1" A"Heater 1" Y"thermistor" T100000 B4725 C7.06e-8 M950 H1 C"121.out0" T1 ;M950 H1 C"out2" T1 M307 H1 B0 S1 ; disable bang-bang mode for heater and set PWM limit M143 H1 S300 ; Set temperature limit for heater ; Chamber Thermistor M308 S2 P"temp1" A"Chamber" Y"thermistor" T100000 B3950 ; configure sensor 2 as thermistor ; MCU sensors M308 S3 Y"mcu-temp" A"MCU" M308 S4 Y"drivers" A"Drivers" M912 P0 S-13 ; MCU temp calibration ; Fans ;M950 F0 C"121.out1" Q10000 ; part cooling fan # old Sunon M950 F0 C"121.out1" ; part cooling fan # new Gsdtime M106 P0 C"Bed" S0 H-1 ; part cooling fan M950 F1 C"121.out2" ; hotend fan M106 P1 C"Hotend" L0.70 X0.70 H1 T70 S0.70 ; hotend fan M950 F2 C"out7" Q10 ; air filter fan M106 P2 C"Filter" S0 H-1 B0.2 ; air filter fan M950 F3 C"out4" Q24000 ; electronics bay left side M106 P3 S0.75 H-1 B1 C"Bay" ; electronics bay left side ;M950 F4 C"1.out3" Q24000 ; electronics bay right side ;M106 P4 S0.75 H-1 B1 C"Bay Right" ; electronics bay right side M950 F5 C"out5" ; sbc fan M106 P5 S0.2 H-1 C"SBC" ; sbc fan M950 F6 C"out6" ; chamber light M106 P6 S1 H-1 C"Light" ; chamber light ; Tools M563 P0 S"Hotend" D0 H1 F0 ; define tool 0 ;G10 P0 X0 Y0 Z-2.75 G10 P0 X0 Y0 Z0 G10 P0 R0 S0 ; set initial tool 0 active and standby temperatures to 0C ; Enable debugging via USB ;M111 S1 P0 ; Platform ;M111 S1 P1 ; Network ;M111 S1 P2 ; Webserver ;M111 S1 P3 ; GCodes ;M111 S1 P4 ; Move ;M111 S1 P5 ; Heat ;M111 S1 P6 ; DAA ;M111 S1 P7 ; Roland ;M111 S1 P8 ; Scanner ;M111 S1 P9 ; PrintMonitor ;M111 S1 P10 ; Storage ;M111 S1 P11 ; PortControl ;M111 S1 P12 ; DuetExpansion ;M111 S1 P13 ; FilamentSensor ;M111 S1 P14 ; Wifi ;M111 S1 P15 ; Display ;M111 S1 P16 ; LinuxInterface ;M111 S1 P17 ; CAN ; Neopixel M150 X3 Q3000000 ; set LED type to NeoPixel and set SPI frequency to 3MHz M150 W255 P255 Y255 S3 F0 ; Misc M575 P1 S1 B115200 ; enable support for PanelDue M501 ; load config-override.g M302 P0 ; disallow cold extrudes T0 ; select tool 0 ; Auto Z M98 P"/macros/autoz/edit_me.g" ; load your settings for autoz with klicky probe M400 M98 P"/macros/autoz/scripts/autoz_globals.g" ; load autoz framework for klicky probe M400 ; ERCF ;M98 P"0:/macros/sys/ercf/lib/init.g" -
Looks like I’m not alone with the issue anymore. Any news of an possible fix? And if possible, can we somehow assist in collecting more data (debug firmware with more logging?) for you to fix the issue?
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@MartinNYHC That's a very useful test. If you are interested in running more tests, then trying the same print with an older version of the firmware (probably pre input shaping so 3.3) might provide some interesting input. It would also be useful to run the same test (on 3.4.3) with input shaping disabled.
It also looks to me as if you could use a higher value for the pressure advance setting on that print (with the input shaping setting you have), did you try that (I see you have a higher setting commented out)?
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@gloomyandy I already tried lots of different settings within the last few months but that doesn't change anything. The same applies to the RRF version - same results as @Argo starting with 3.4.
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@MartinNYHC It would really help to see the following prints alongside each other. I don't think we really have good examples at the moment. Ideally using the same gcode....
- A print using RRF 3.3 (ideally both with and without the toolboard)
- A print using RRF 3.4 but with input shaping disabled (again with and without a toolboard)
- A print using RRF 3.4 with input shaping enabled (I think we already have these, but it would be good to confirm them with the same settings and gcode).
Hopefully all test prints using the same filament etc.
At the moment we have a lot of examples but I don't think we have a consistent set using exactly the same hardware and gcode. I don't think we have any hard evidence that things changed from 3.3 to 3.4.
The current situation (as I understand it) is....
Argo saw differences going from 3.3 to 3.4, but he also switched from a directly connected extruder to using a toolboard. When he went back to 3.3 (still using a toolboard) the problem he is seeing seemed to also show in 3.3.Your test posted above seems to indicate that you are seeing a problem with 3.4 and that the problem is the same both with and without a toolboard (however both prints are using input shaping, so that may have some impact on this, most people seem to think that PA needs to be changed when input shaping is in use).
I realise that this is a lot of work, but I think you are in a really good position to test this. I've been trying to reproduce the issue, but have not been able to do so, my understanding is that DC42 has also not been able to reproduce the problems. If there is a difference between 3.3 and 3.4 then having a definitive example would really help.
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What I also did change was the hotend when I installed the tool board and installed RRF 3.4.
It’s a Rapido hotend. The same one @MartinNYHC uses. I don’t know how the hotend can be the cause but I could switch back to the Mosquito as my bedslinger with RRF 3.4 also has an Mosquito and no issues. -
@Argo I also had this issue before I switched from a Mosquito Magnum to Rapido
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Ok… then I have absolutely no clue anymore.
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@gloomyandy My extruder is clogged
Will do the test prints tomorrow. -
@gloomyandy I'm also using rapido hotend now, was using a dragon SF. I've just changed from SBC to standalone which hasn't altered the results.
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I have this corner issuse to.
My SystemDuet 3 6 hc SBC
Duet 3 1lc
Rapido Hotend
Hextrudort Extruder ( ~ 20mm tube from extruder to hotend )Test with extruder on toolboard and on the MB direkt but the corners issuse ob both connection.
Test with IS on and off at both connection.
My PA bevor the issuse was 0.035.
When I turned up the PA to 0.04, the wall on the corners open it.Need you more Info?
Config.g?
M122?I print a simple Cube with 40x40x2mm
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@MartinNYHC has no access to the printer at the moment so maybe @Heartleander81, could you do these tests? https://forum.duet3d.com/post/297234
- A print using RRF 3.3 (ideally both with and without the toolboard)
- A print using RRF 3.4 but with input shaping disabled (again with and without a toolboard)
- A print using RRF 3.4 with input shaping enabled (I think we already have these, but it would be good to confirm them with the same settings and gcode).
Hopefully all test prints using the same filament etc.
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With which file?
Which settings?
I only have PETG filament at home.oh flashing back to 3.3, I don't know how that works and whether I changed something from 3.3 to 3.4 in the Config.g, I unfortunately don't know anymore either.
The problem with and without Toolboard is. I don't have an adapter and then have to re-solder the cable from the motor every time.
My tests up to now (cube 40x40x2) show that with 3.4.3 the corners are always the same. Whether with toolboard IS on or off and without toolboard with IS on or off. The corners only get smaller when I print a lot slower than 60mm/s
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Flashing to 3.3 is the same procedure as flashing ton 3.4.
Just upload the files to the system folder.
Maybe the result will be different with RRF 3.3.
If not then maybe we’ll have to send our printers to Duet3D. -
I use SBC not standalone
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@Heartleander81 said in Issues with pressure advance since RRF 3.4:
I use SBC not standalone
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Sorry I doun't understand what I must do.
The git can I clone but what now?I think I must install ore copy files on the pi but what and who.
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