Best Z Probe for Duet 3 Mini 5+

Pickett

@zapta its a knockoff 3d Touch made by RedRex whom seems to make good knockoffs. I was just interested in something better, more durable, can take more abuse than a sensitive BL TOuch or 3D TOuch for that matter so anyways yeah I will probably check out that EuclidProbe and see how that goes as it appears it has a good happy user base so I cant see anythimg wrong with giving it a go..... Thanks!

Pickett

Ill be installing that Euclid Probe into my Anycubic Chiron that I converted to utilize Linear Rods NOT Rails as I feel that Rails are a bit too stiff plus I like how the Rods look. So I essnentially am building a Prusa'fied Chiron but I like to call it Chiron LRE or Chiron 3.0 lols cause i really is. The Chiron 2.0 I had built used an BTT SKR 1.4 Turbo of which I used to think was THE best board one could get tht is til I learned abut the Duet3d boards!!!!!!!

sinned6915

@zapta the last probe i used was an IR probe.
I tried everything- I laminated the 0.04 pei to a piece of black anodized aluminum sheet to imporve the reflectivity.
Ambient light scatter still threw it off.
Hence the developement of the Euclid Probe.

zapta

@sinned6915 said in Best Z Probe for Duet 3 Mini 5+:

Hence the developement of the Euclid Probe.

It's a very elegant design. If you are the original developer of this concept, Chapeau!

tecno

@zapta said in Best Z Probe for Duet 3 Mini 5+:

@tecno, have you used IR with a PEI sheet (e.g. 1mm), if so, what was your experience?

I use PrimaCreator FlexPlate PEI and I usually have to baby step printhead down a bit.
Using backside to print PETG usually no babystep.

No mechanical probes for me anymore as I have had my share of big problems with that shit.

zapta

After reading this thread I decided to replace the Z probe on my printer with a stowaway microswitch kind, so built a Voron Clicky Probe from a swtich and magnets I had and its seems to work quiet well. It is definitely simpler than the standard Voron V2.4 z stop + induction probe arrangement and it measure the actual top surface which I prefer. Also added gcode to the pick/drop macros to verify that the probe is actually picked/dropped as expected for extra safety.

What is a good way to quantify the accuracy or consistency of a probe?

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zapta

@arnold_r_clark said in Best Z Probe for Duet 3 Mini 5+:

with a zero/zero offset to the nozzle

Can you explain this? Do you mean X offset? Y offset? Z offset? Something else?

CR3D

A lot of people use the CR-3D SupCRprobe... a temperature stabilized inductive sensor which works with extremely high repeat accuracy

https://www.cr3d.de/kategorie/elektronik/sensorik/

here e.g. in the C1mini with Duet 3 Mini 5+

pfn

@zapta This is what I do:

M98 P"k/probe-attach.g"
G1 X100 Y100 F18000
G30
G30 P0 X100 Y100 Z-9999
G30 P1 X100 Y100 Z-9999
G30 P2 X100 Y100 Z-9999
G30 P3 X100 Y100 Z-9999
G30 P4 X100 Y100 Z-9999
G30 P5 X100 Y100 Z-9999
G30 P6 X100 Y100 Z-9999
G30 P7 X100 Y100 Z-9999
G30 P8 X100 Y100 Z-9999
G30 P9 X100 Y100 Z-9999 S-1
M98 P"k/probe-detach.g"

If it isn't obvious, I too have a clicky probe (annex quickdraw in this case).

engikeneer

@pfn @zapta, you could even add attach/detach calls in between each of the successive G30's to test the repeatability of the pickup.

I have a similar test macro which does G1 moves between each probe to test for backlash affecting the probe etc

pfn

@engikeneer that's a really good idea, I should try that

zapta

@pfn said in Best Z Probe for Duet 3 Mini 5+:

If it isn't obvious, I too have a clicky probe (annex quickdraw in this case).

attach/detach, I called it picked/drop

Thanks, will give it a try, including attach/detach between each probing.

BTW, I do homing, auth leveling and mesh probing with hot bed, since it can also impact the results.

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PaulHew

My Euclid PCBs arrived today, in the UK.
Have everything ready apart from the magnets, unless I want to spend more on delivery than the magnets from USA.

I have run BLT originals on my RailCore / Voron2.4 and Ender3.
The RailCore struggles with back right corner with a BLT, nothing wants to stick to that area! Always too high.

Hoping the Euclid probe will alleviate that issue!

zapta

@pfn, I run 100 iterations of attach/probe/detach and got the message below

"G32 bed probe heights: -0.129, mean -0.129, deviation from mean 0.000"

Does it mean that I need to increase the Z value in my probe setting?

G31 K0 P500 X-2 Y19 Z9.1

Also, is there a way to get the 100 probing values or at least min and max?

echo "Home all"
G28

while iterations < 100
  ;echo "Probing " ^ {iterations}
  
  M98 P"/macros/clicky_pick"
  M98 P"/macros/z_current_low"
  M98 P"/macros/speed_probing"
  
  G30 P0 X127 Y106 Z-9999
  
  M98 P"/macros/speed_printing"
  M98 P"/macros/z_current_high"  
  M98 P"/macros/clicky_drop"

; ---------------
echo "Last probing"

M98 P"/macros/clicky_pick"
M98 P"/macros/z_current_low"
M98 P"/macros/speed_probing"
  
G30 P9 X127 Y106  Z-9999 S-1

M98 P"/macros/speed_printing"
M98 P"/macros/z_current_high"  
M98 P"/macros/clicky_drop"

echo "Clicky test done"

zapta

@arnold_r_clark said in Best Z Probe for Duet 3 Mini 5+:

The probe is not offset from the nozzle on either the X or Y planes, the switch is picked up from its dock and sits directly under the nozzle at a known distance below the nozzle hence Zero/Zero.

That's very neat. Thanks for the explanation. I thought that this is what you meant but didn't know how it can be designed.

pfn

@zapta your macro has a mistake it should be G30 P{iterations}

So you didn't get an aggregate result

The final G30 should be P100

Also, I'm a bit concerned, it says the probe result was 0.129mm lower than the homing probe. It could mean the mount is inconsistent.

With the correct P arguments, the result for G30 S-1 should list all probe values

zapta

@pfn, yes, you are right. Here it is after fixes. Not sure where the 0.109 offset comes from but my slicer is set to print at z offset of 0.1mm.

Is this a reasonable probe accuracy?

G32 bed probe heights: -0.120 -0.106 -0.110 -0.111 -0.114 -0.111 -0.110 -0.098 -0.111 -0.105 -0.100, mean -0.109, deviation from mean 0.006

var N=10

echo "Home all"
G28

while iterations < var.N
  echo "Iteration " ^ {iterations}
  
  M98 P"/macros/clicky_pick"
  M98 P"/macros/z_current_low"
  M98 P"/macros/speed_probing"
  
  G30 P{iterations} X127 Y106 Z-9999
  
  M98 P"/macros/speed_printing"
  M98 P"/macros/z_current_high"  
  M98 P"/macros/clicky_drop"

; ---------------
echo "Last probing"

M98 P"/macros/clicky_pick"
M98 P"/macros/z_current_low"
M98 P"/macros/speed_probing"
  
G30 P{var.N} X127 Y106 S-1 Z-9999

M98 P"/macros/speed_printing"
M98 P"/macros/z_current_high"  
M98 P"/macros/clicky_drop"

echo "Clicky test done"

pfn

@zapta the 0.1 comes from the probe location, I assume your homez is at a different location. So z=0 at your homing location results in an offset at this x/y

In terms of repeatability, it's pretty good. Bltouch advertises 0.005mm stdev. I got 0.002 on my ir sensor. without unlocking, I got 0.002 on the microswitch. Probing speed can also affect consistency, I normally probe with F100.

All things considered being under 0.01mm is good enough, unless you're pushing like 0.04mm first layer heights... babystep resolution is like 0.01mm at most (and more often 0.04 or 0.02mm)