Duet3D 1HCL - Closed Loop Controller Beta test
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does this mean that I need to switch the positive and negative wires?
Sorry, this error message is a bit misleading - I'll change that. The polarity should be detected automatically, so a better error message may be "encoder polarity failed to be detected"
Please could you follow the same instructions I gave to maxgyver above (here), although on the 'movement' checkboxes down the right hand side, please could you check 'polarity detection'
We should then be able to take a look at the graph and see what's going on
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@lirwin17 is there another report with different variables I need to run for more information?
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@lirwin17 I'm not sure how to read these... it looks like coil A is out of step phase and coil B doesn't appear to be doing anything... target motor steps says there are 4 errors
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is there another report with different variables I need to run for more information?
No, this is great
I'm not sure how to read these...
There's docs coming soon, but for now I'll talk you through it
The first thing to say is that the raw encoder reading is 0 on both recordings - this means it doesn't seem to register the encoder as moving at all.
This is strange because I thought that you did M122 twice after manually turning a full rotation and the encoder's reading changed... Please could you confirm this is still the case
(See this post for more detailed information)
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@maxgyver thank you for the update! Don't worry, I've not forgotten about increasing the max speed - it's actually next on my list!
was able to increase my acceleration and jerk significantly
Excellent that's what we like to hear
I have two motors on my Y axis. They are both wired to one 1HCL board, but only one has an encoder. It calibrates fine, and I did not spot a significant problem during printing. Only the recorded graphs were of no use on this axis (at least for me). Maybe something to keep in mind for future development
Hmm okay
do you mean that both motors are wired into the single driver output on the 1HCL? What exactly were the issues you were having with the recorded graph?Furthermore, I have the impression that the drivers run in full step without any microstepping as soon as I switch to closed loop. It sounds very much like my very first printer.
The prints also show a strong stepping pattern.This is an interesting one haha - so with closed loop, we kinda lose all sense of microstepping, since the motors no longer move in discrete steps, but move as close to continuously as possible. This means that in theory, the microstepping is infinite... but the keyword here is 'continuously as possible', in reality the motor has to move some discrete distance per PID iteration, and this is a function of the frequency of the PID loop (constant) and the speed of the move (variable). If you do a very slow move, I'd expect you to be getting very small discrete moves per PID cycle (the equivalent of very high mocrostepping), whereas if we're pushing the boundary on how fast we can move, you'll get very large discrete moves per PID cycle (up to a full step).
You can actually measure the size of these discrete steps by taking a recording (with speed set to 'as fast as possible') and looking at the step phase variable, and the vertical distance between datapoints. A distance of 90 degrees means 1 step, you could work out an 'effective microstepping' from this, since you know the increments in which the motor moves.The good news is though, as we increase the maximum speed, the 'effective microstepping' will also increase as well, so hopefully you'll see less of the stepping pattern as we do so
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@lirwin17 M122 B50
Diagnostics for board 50:
Duet EXP1HCL firmware version 3.4.0beta3+1 (2021-09-14 15:07:31)
Bootloader ID: SAME5x bootloader version 2.4beta (2021-07-23)
Never used RAM 51472, free system stack 2592 words
Tasks: Move(notifyWait,0.0%,160) HEAT(notifyWait,0.0%,95) CanAsync(notifyWait,0.0%,70) CanRecv(notifyWait,0.0%,81) CanClock(notifyWait,0.0%,72) TMC(notifyWait,38.1%,344) CLSend(notifyWait,0.0%,148) CLData(notifyWait,0.0%,142) MAIN(running,59.9%,408) IDLE(ready,0.0%,39) AIN(notifyWait,2.0%,265), total 100.0%
Last reset 00:01:25 ago, cause: power up
Last software reset time unknown, reason: HardFault bfarValid precise, available RAM 51580, slot 2
Software reset code 0x0060 HFSR 0x40000000 CFSR 0x00008200 ICSR 0x00430803 BFAR 0x20030008 SP 0x2001eba8 Task MAIN Freestk 531 ok
Stack: 00000000 00000000 00000002 20030000 00030f39 0001b8f9 0001ea4c 41000000 bf800000 00000000 533c0605 04001200 a8888700 06420000 c2010829 19a21029 50708239 5d000040 2a60041c 54540122 04801201 41200000 41c27924 4142a3fe 20000010 0002699b 00000002
Closed loop enabled: yes, live status: 0x4, encoder type rotaryQuadrature, pre-error threshold: 5.000000, error threshold: 10.000000, reverse polarity: no, tuning: 0, tuning error: 0x1f, position 0, raw count = 0, collecting data: no, ultimateGain=0.000000, oscillationPeriod=0.000000, Control loop runtime (ms): min=0.000000, max=0.066667, avg=0.008000, Control loop frequency (Hz): min=7075.472168, max=18292.683594, avg=15625.000977
Driver 0: pos 0, 106.5 steps/mm, standstill, reads 8610, writesMoves scheduled 0, completed 0, in progress 0, hiccups 0, step errors 0, maxPrep 0, maxOverdue 0, maxInc 0, mcErrs 0, gcmErrs 0
Peak sync jitter -4/3, peak Rx sync delay 179, resyncs 0/0, no step interrupt scheduled
VIN: 24.3V, V12: 12.2V
MCU temperature: min 23.1C, current 25.4C, max 25.4C
Ticks since heat task active 157, ADC conversions started 84048, completed 84047, timed out 0, errs 0
Last sensors broadcast 0x00000000 found 0 162 ticks ago, loop time 0
CAN messages queued 728, send timeouts 0, received 744, lost 0, free buffers 37, min 37, error reg 0
dup 0, oos 0/0/0/0, bm 0, wbm 0, rxMotionDelay 0Disconnected the motor coils and turn the motor by hand one full revolution by hand:
M122 B50
Diagnostics for board 50:
Duet EXP1HCL firmware version 3.4.0beta3+1 (2021-09-14 15:07:31)
Bootloader ID: SAME5x bootloader version 2.4beta (2021-07-23)
Never used RAM 51472, free system stack 2580 words
Tasks: Move(notifyWait,0.0%,160) HEAT(notifyWait,0.0%,95) CanAsync(notifyWait,0.0%,70) CanRecv(notifyWait,0.0%,81) CanClock(notifyWait,0.0%,72) TMC(notifyWait,38.4%,344) CLSend(notifyWait,0.0%,148) CLData(notifyWait,0.0%,142) MAIN(running,59.6%,380) IDLE(ready,0.0%,39) AIN(notifyWait,2.0%,265), total 100.0%
Last reset 00:05:31 ago, cause: power up
Last software reset time unknown, reason: HardFault bfarValid precise, available RAM 51580, slot 2
Software reset code 0x0060 HFSR 0x40000000 CFSR 0x00008200 ICSR 0x00430803 BFAR 0x20030008 SP 0x2001eba8 Task MAIN Freestk 531 ok
Stack: 00000000 00000000 00000002 20030000 00030f39 0001b8f9 0001ea4c 41000000 bf800000 00000000 533c0605 04001200 a8888700 06420000 c2010829 19a21029 50708239 5d000040 2a60041c 54540122 04801201 41200000 41c27924 4142a3fe 20000010 0002699b 00000002
Closed loop enabled: yes, live status: 0x4, encoder type rotaryQuadrature, pre-error threshold: 5.000000, error threshold: 10.000000, reverse polarity: no, tuning: 0, tuning error: 0x1f, position 4055, raw count = 4055, collecting data: no, ultimateGain=0.000000, oscillationPeriod=0.000000, Control loop runtime (ms): min=0.006667, max=0.086667, avg=0.008000, Control loop frequency (Hz): min=6756.756836, max=16304.347656, avg=15625.000977
Driver 0: pos 0, 106.5 steps/mm, standstill, reads 0, wriMoves scheduled 0, completed 0, in progress 0, hiccups 0, step errors 0, maxPrep 0, maxOverdue 0, maxInc 0, mcErrs 0, gcmErrs 0
Peak sync jitter -3/4, peak Rx sync delay 183, resyncs 0/0, no step interrupt scheduled
VIN: 24.3V, V12: 12.2V
MCU temperature: min 23.1C, current 26.3C, max 26.5C
Ticks since heat task active 205, ADC conversions started 324949, completed 324948, timed out 0, errs 0
Last sensors broadcast 0x00000000 found 0 210 ticks ago, loop time 0
CAN messages queued 2005, send timeouts 0, received 2218, lost 0, free buffers 37, min 37, error reg 0
dup 0, oos 0/0/0/0, bm 0, wbm 0, rxMotionDelay 0 -
@lirwin17 it is reading the encoder... raw count 4055 from zero.. .and it is a 4000 count encoder
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@lirwin17 what would be the next step to trouble shoot
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@supertb1 hmm okay so it looks like the encoder is working...
Perhaps that reading of 0 is correct - is the motor actually moving at all during the recording?
If it's not, please could you check that the motor works in open loop mode - i.e. boot up the board and then run
M569 P50.0 D3, and try to home the motor, move it, etcIf it doesn't work in open loop mode, it's most likely an issue with the wiring, you could try plugging the motor into your main board and check that it works in there
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@lirwin17 I disconnected the motor and ran it from a separate stepper drive I have built from an Arduino and a A4988.. The motor works fine in both directions outside the system, I then reconnected the motor to the drive on the 1HCL took it out of close loop mode and homed the axis, moved the motor around.. with the M569 p50.0 D3 it seams as though it cut my steps in half and is making the motor oscillate loudly, but it moves. With the closed loop off the motor also oscillates but it does move.50_2021-09-22_10.54.21.csv
Not sure what has happened but I ran a step maneuver and the drive moved about 5mm and returned some interesting results... let me know what you think -
@lirwin17 here is my current config
G4 S3 ;wait for expansion boards to start
M569.1 P50.0 T2 C5 E5:10 ; Configure the 1HCL board at CAN address 50 with a quadrature encoder on the motor shaft that has 20 steps per motor full step.
M569.1 P51.0 S1 T2 C20 E20 R100 I0 D0 ; Configure the 1HCL board at CAN address 51 with a quadrature encoder on the motor shaft that has 20 steps per motor full step.
M569 P50.0 D4 S1 ; Configure the motor on the 1HCL at can address 50 as being in closed-loop drive mode (D4), Open loop (D2) and not reversed (S1) X axis
M569 P51.0 D2 S1 ; Configure the motor on the 1HCL at can address 51 as being in closed-loop drive mode (D4), Open loop (D2) and not reversed (S1) Y axis
M569 P0.0 S1 ; physical drive 0.0 goes forwards Z 1-2 axis
M569 P0.4 S1 ; physical drive 0.4 goes forwards Extruder
M584 X50.0 Y51.0 Z0.0:0.1 E0.4 ; set drive mapping
M671 X-122.25:689.20 Y0:0 S3.0 ; leadscrews at left (connected to Z0) and right (connected to Z1) of X axis
M350 X32 Y32 Z32 E16 I1 ; configure microstepping with interpolation
M92 X106.5 Y257 Z795.00 E339.00 ; set steps per mm
M566 X900.00 Y900.00 Z60.00 E120.00 ; set maximum instantaneous speed changes (mm/min)
M203 X6000.00 Y6000.00 Z180.00 E1200.00 ; set maximum speeds (mm/min)
M201 X500.00 Y500.00 Z20.00 E250.00 ; set accelerations (mm/s^2)
M906 X1000 Y3000 Z3000 E800 I30 ; set motor currents (mA) and motor idle factor in per cent
M84 S30 ; Set idle timeout
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@lirwin17 and my current home X
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@supertb1 ; homex.g
; called to home the X axis
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; generated by RepRapFirmware Configuration Tool v3.2.3 on Mon Mar 08 2021 08:53:31 GMT-0600 (Central Standard Time)
M569 P50.0 D0 ; Turn off closed loopG91 ; relative positioning
G1 H2 Z5 F6000 ; lift Z relative to current position
G1 H1 X-240 F3000 ; move quickly to X axis endstop and stop there (first pass)
G1 H2 X5 F6000 ; go back a few mm
G1 H1 X-240 F240 ; move slowly to X axis endstop once more (second pass)G90 ; absolute positioning
G1 X50 F3000 ; Move to a known-safe position
M400 ; Wait for the move to complete
G4 P500 ; Wait for the motor to settle
M569 P50.0 D4 ; Turn closed loop back on
M569.6 P50.0 V31 ; Perform the tuning manoeuvres for a quadrature encoder
G1 X0 ; Move back to X0G1 H2 Z0 F6000 ; lower Z again
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@lirwin17 in closed loop I tried to do a homing move and it returned a: 9/22/2021, 11:03:30 AM G28 X
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@supertb1
Apologies for the delayed reply, I've been moving house over the last few days so everything has been a bit hectic!I disconnected the motor and ran it from a separate stepper drive I have built from an Arduino and a A4988.. The motor works fine in both directions outside the system
Okie dokie, that's good, we know the motor itself works.
I then reconnected the motor to the drive on the 1HCL ... with the M569 p50.0 D3 [open loop] it seams as though it cut my steps in half and is making the motor oscillate loudly, but it moves
Okay, so even in open-loop, the drive isn't behaving as expected.
From what you have said, it almost sounds like one of the coils isn't being energised, or is only being energised intermittently - so the motor is limping along on just 1 coil.
I don't know if @T3P3Tony has a set of standard troubleshooting instructions for when a drive doesn't work in normal open-loop mode, I'll give it a stab below, but I defer to anyone else's expertise for a more concrete procedure.From the fact that we know your motor works, that seems to be suggesting it is either a problem with the wiring to the motor, or a problem with the driver chip on the Duet board.
I personally tested each one of those boards before they went out, so it's fairly certain they worked when they left me, but I suppose they could have been damage in mailing, so we should keep an open mind here.
However, I think more likely there is an intermittent connection on at least one of your wires going to the motor.
When you tested the motor on a separate stepper driver built from an arduino, did you use the same wiring to the motor?
Either way, it would be worth using a multimeter to test for continuity across those wires - perhaps giving them a bit of a wiggle to test for an intermittent connection that may only show itself when the wire is in a certain positionLet me know how you get on
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@lirwin17 Hi Louis, glad things are sorted at the Irwin residence. Ok I double checked the wiring today, Homed the axis in closed loop and then ran a tuning maneuver 1a2fa09f-8b25-4e18-82bd-03b9d4f5fee2-50_2021-09-27_07.10.36.csv
