What build surface for PETG?
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@Corexy said in What build surface for PETG?:
Are you both printing on open machines?
Yes, open machine, bed t 60c, fan off or at 30%, and 1mm pei sheet with 3M adhesive.
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PrintBite 80-85C and I love it. I have a few 12cm fan's on the frame that start blowing after the print is done to cool it off, when printbite cools down to 30-35C the part just pops off. I use PrintBite also with PLA, ABS, HIPS, ASA, PC and PA. The only thing I don't use PrintBite with is TPU 'cause TPU gets almost impossible to remove from PrintBite so I use bluetape to print TPU
PETG sticks good to plain glass but will often break glass when you try to remove the print (not matter how cold the glass get) so I used to use hairspray or gluestick on glass in order to be able to properly remove the part. That does it and work nice only it's messy.
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i used this glue on heated glass
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@arhi said in What build surface for PETG?:
... TPU gets almost impossible to remove
A trick that I use to remove TPU from PEI, when the print completes, put a few drops of Isopropyl alcohol on the boundary between the print and the bed and somehow it makes it much easier to remove.
(previously I used to spread a tiny amount of baby powder on the bed before printing TPU but a friend told me about some health risks with baby powder so switched to IPA and it works like a charm).
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@zapta tried many things (including IPA) but printbite grabs on to TPU so strongly it's impossible to remove it. Actually, it depends on the TPU, I have some TPU that's not a soft as ninjaflex but much much harder (still very soft) that I can remove from the printbite, but stuff that's super soft is impossible.
It is not a big deal for me, I just put a 2mm aluminium sheet covered with painters tape (I use some beige one that's el-cheapo here, not the fancy expensive uv resistent blue one) or 4mm glass covered with painters tape directly over the printbite and print, no even need to heat it up in most cases
.. and since I use nozzle as the Z probe there's no need to worry about z-height.. but I also print TPU very very very very rarely as a stand alone object, in most cases if I need to print TPU I print it on top of ABS or HIPS so the print surface is not a big deal and I want the first layer to fuse as much as possible .. but that's a whole other storyah, and forgot to say, printbite does not really love IPA!!! there's some residue IPA leaves that makes it less effective, so after using IPA I need to clean printbite with acetone
.. almost forgot that 'cause I rarely need to clean printbite at all as unless you touch it with your fingers it just works -
I use Borosilicate Glass (I use this to prevent bed warpage) with buildtak flex system. I use hairspray on the buildtak as PETG tends to stick too well. Bed temperature of 80-90 and nozzle temp 240. NO COOLING FAN. As people have mentioned in the post not all filament is the same. Be also careful of the layer heights and the larger layer heights and print widths can also cause larger shrinkage and cause some warping. Lower layer heights give the part a chance to relax between layers.
My build surface is 300 x 600 and i have done prints to almost full bed size with PETG... -
Thanks all!
80 bed with 240/230 nozzle and no fan gave a much closer result to flat, almost perfect.
Tiny bit of stringing, but nothing to worry about.
I'm using 0.5mm wall thickness, so I might drop that down to 0.44 and up the bed to 85. Might even drop the print temp to 225 as well, just to see if that removes the strings.
I must add these prints are pretty good, even spectacular if I say so myself, but I'm just being picky because why not. They are machine parts for my new printer, so I want them to be perfect.
Funny how literally every article on the net recommends fans running flat out. I never recall PETG warping on me before either, so I might try a roll of Esun I've got sitting here as a reference.
Cheers again for all the helpful tips!
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some brands will have issue with fan's some brands will allow you to run fans at 100% ... I personally run fan's at 20% during "normal" print and 100% during bridging/overhangs
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My go to print temp for the bed is 75c (works for me might not for others)
I print primarily on ultra-base style bed surfaces, including the creality version.
And I put a whiff printafix on purely to make it easier to get the print off and not damage the print surface
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I print PETG on PEI sheets or powder coat. The key is to print the first layer cold and pick the temperature based on how you want it to stick. Hotter sticks harder and colder pops off easier. I typically start at 60C for the first layer then switch to 80C for the rest of the layers to minimize warping. You'll need to tune this for your specific print bed.
I also run the hot end <230C on the first layer to avoid damaging the PEI, then ramp up the temperature for the rest of the print. I typically run 245-265C with fan for speed, overhangs, and layer adhesion. Then keep stringing in check with aggressive filament drying.
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@BotLawson said in What build surface for PETG?:
Then keep stringing in check with aggressive filament drying.
How do you try PETG? Time, temperature, equipment, etc?
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@zapta, I use a food dehydrator, 70-75 C overnight (6-8 hrs) but never had real issues and I am less than a mile from the Pacific Ocean ...
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@zapta I store and print out of "dry cartridges" with A4 Molecular sieve desiccant. https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3225037 I've made 8 so far.
They're a one time cost as the desiccant generally lasts years and can be recharged if needed. (rapid temperature cycling will pump air into the cartridge and saturate the desiccant)
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@BotLawson said in What build surface for PETG?:
I also run the hot end <230C on the first layer to avoid damaging the PEI, then ramp up the temperature for the rest of the print. I typically run 245-265C with fan for speed, overhangs, and layer adhesion. Then keep stringing in check with aggressive filament drying.
All well and good but sometimes, just sometimes depending on the brand of PETG, Colour & Other variables, set in stone Temperatures all go out the window.
You only need to look at a few threads on this forum for confirmation of what I am saying, you should never (even with a known brand of filament) rely on a set printing Temp, you should always print a temp tower at the start of a new roll and work from the "look" and print at the arbitrary number that the temp tower shows to be the best.
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Thank you all very much for your assistance.
Stumbled onto a funny trick that gave me perfect adhesion, found it in the Prusa forum.
I was really wondering what the hell was going on...I was heating my flexible magnetic mat so hot I couldn't remove the thin brims, yet the print was still lifting.
What really go me thinking was when I tried wiping some metho on the mat (because you can't use acetone with it) and the problem got way worse, almost un useable. I was noticing it dragging up the first couple of mm of a layer despite my level/height/retraction being checked and good.
Then I found a post that said that PETG hates being printed on a surface that has been used for PLA, as it leaves a sugary residue of some sort, and that dishwashing soap was the magic cure.
I took the plate into the kitchen, put some soap on it and swirled/foamed it around with a really soft brush rinsed in warm/hot water, then rinsed it off in the same water. It came up really clean. Patted it dry with kitchen paper and heated it up to 80 degC (I was up to 90 in the end). It was clean as, and a lot of residue was gone.
Perfect adhesion! I'll do this every time I swap to a different material.
Hope that helps someone.
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I find printing PLA on plain glass much the same. If I clean the glass with IPA then it won't stick. If I wash the glass in hot soapy water and dry it with a paper towel, it sticks well when heated and releases when cooled.
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@dc42 said in What build surface for PETG?:
I find printing PLA on plain glass much the same. If I clean the glass with IPA then it won't stick. If I wash the glass in hot soapy water and dry it with a paper towel, it sticks well when heated and releases when cooled.
It's all about those fine traces of oil or whatever I guess.
I'm going to try it on my Printbite surface, as it's about 4yo and been troublesome recently
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I knew there was a reason I have specific printers set up to only print specific materials.............
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@dc42 IPA leaves some residue, locally ethil alcohol is easier to get (98% one) and it works much better, but yes, dishwasher rules
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@CaLviNx said in What build surface for PETG?:
All well and good but sometimes, just sometimes depending on the brand of PETG, Colour & Other variables, set in stone Temperatures all go out the window.
You only need to look at a few threads on this forum for confirmation of what I am saying, you should never (even with a known brand of filament) rely on a set printing Temp, you should always print a temp tower at the start of a new roll and work from the "look" and print at the arbitrary number that the temp tower shows to be the best.
I guess we can now also add that one should repeat that temperature tower when changing nozzles made from different materails.
