PETG - Brittle?
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@Daniel isn't filament going from the nozzle directly into the warm water bath ?! How does that affect the moisture content?
was made with wet resin.
I recently watched some video (trying to figure out what's wrong with this XXL spool of white petg from dasfilament that print at 180C that strings like crazy) about filament making and guy said that the process starts by
- put pellets, additives, pigments into the blender and mix and mix and mix
- put the mixed content into the dryer and dry for at least 2 hours
and went on about if you don't dry for at least 2 hours the filament will be %$#@^&# quality...
I guess everyone making filament knows this and I doubt anyone is crazy enough not to dry the mixture before using up all the time and energy to convert that into filament.
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@arhi
That is a very good observation. Filaments are made by melting dry polymer in the extruded and pushing them through a die with the proper diameter and then immersed into a water bath to solidify.
The residence time in the bath is enough to chill the filament but not enough to to raise the internal moisture content above 300 ppm.
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@Daniel sounds interesting, I have no clue about how that part of the work is done, never looked much in to it before this issues with dasfilament white petg, so I started looking at the process and if anyone published recipes but info about it all is super scarce. Apart from few videos and few pictures info there's nothing out there. Easier to find a procedure to make extazy or heroin than to make filament
Anyhows looks like the general course of action for any filament is the same - if something fishy, dry it first
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@arhi
I am attaching a link to a resin vendor for injection molders and other plastic processes containing a table for water content on different polymers as well as a reference on how to measure that.
https://omnexus.specialchem.com/polymer-properties/properties/water-absorption-24-hoursWhat filaments are interested in making?
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@Daniel thanks. No wish to make filament. I just wanted to understand what happened to the spool I had issues with
( saga is here https://forum.duet3d.com/topic/16111/6mm-e3dv6-stringing-petg-any-ideas?_=1589127397515 it's a XXL role of dasfilament petg white that behave weird imo) -
@arhi said in PETG - Brittle?:
if something fishy, dry it first
I god a food dehydrator and tried a few time to dry filaments but I can't say I noticed any before/after difference.
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@PaulHew the filament I'm having issues with is the Snow White PETG filament from 3DFilaprint. Premium own brand. Emailed them for comment last week. Not heard back yet.
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@DocTrucker said in PETG - Brittle?:
@PaulHew the filament I'm having issues with is the Snow White PETG filament from 3DFilaprint. Premium own brand. Emailed them for comment last week. Not heard back yet.
That's interesting - it was Snow White PET-G (but a different brand) that @arhi was having problems with in a different thread.
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@deckingman mine is actually called just "white" but it is "whiter" than regular white I have from other brands.
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If anything there is a slight blue tint to the snow white PETG from 3D Filaprint. They tend to completely hude products on their website when out of stock so can't see any product data sheets to get any hints on who makes it. I was reading somewhere (perhaps here) that the snow white behaves a little like a filled material.
No response from the first email to them. I will try again soon.
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@DocTrucker said in PETG - Brittle?:
that the snow white behaves a little like a filled material
That's what I believe. Does not need to be called "snow white" but those white filaments that are "whiter" than the rest of them. But that's just a personal feeling I can't quantify it.
