Can’t Pass 250°
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So I installed a Copperhead hot end into my printer. I’m using a Duet 2 ethernet. I went in and changed the temperature parameter to 450 from 250. And now that I’m running the printer up, I can only reach 250 on the hot end.
Any ideas?
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@tmeryhew
post your config please -
; Configuration file for Duet WiFi (firmware version 3)
; executed by the firmware on start-up
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; generated by RepRapFirmware Configuration Tool v3.2.3 on Fri Mar 19 2021 21:41:05 GMT-0700 (MST); General preferences
G90 ; send absolute coordinates...
M83 ; ...but relative extruder moves
M550 P"Genesis" ; set printer name; Network
M551 P"shatner1" ; set password
M552 P0.0.0.0 S1 ; enable network and acquire dynamic address via DHCP
M586 P0 S1 ; enable HTTP
M586 P1 S0 ; disable FTP
M586 P2 S0 ; disable Telnet; Drives
M569 P0 S0 ; physical drive 0 goes backwards
M569 P1 S0 ; physical drive 1 goes backwards
M569 P2 S1 ; physical drive 2 goes forwards
M569 P3 S0 ; physical drive 3 goes backwards
M584 X0 Y1 Z2 E3 ; set drive mapping
M350 X16 Y16 Z16 E16 I1 ; configure microstepping with interpolation
M92 X80.00 Y80.00 Z400.00 E95.00 ; set steps per mm
M566 X900.00 Y900.00 Z100.00 E900.00 ; set maximum instantaneous speed changes (mm/min)
M203 X35000.00 Y35000.00 Z300.00 E10000.00 ; set maximum speeds (mm/min)
M201 X500.00 Y500.00 Z500.00 E5000.00 ; set accelerations (mm/s^2)
M906 X900 Y900 Z900 E800 I30 ; set motor currents (mA) and motor idle factor in per cent
M84 S30 ; Set idle timeout; Axis Limits
M208 X0 Y0 Z0 S1 ; set axis minima
M208 X300 Y220 Z300 S0 ; set axis maxima; Endstops
M574 X1 S1 P"^xstop" ; configure active-high endstop for low end on X via pin ^xstop
M574 Y1 S1 P"^ystop" ; configure active-high endstop for low end on Y via pin ^ystop
M574 Z1 S1 P"^zstop" ; configure active-high endstop for low end on Z via pin ^zstop; Z-Probe
M950 S0 C"exp.heater3" ; create servo pin 0 for BLTouch
M558 P9 C"^zprobe.in" H5 F240 T12000 ; set Z probe type to bltouch and the dive height + speeds
G31 P500 X-45 Y-7 Z3.45 ; set Z probe trigger value, offset and trigger height
M557 X15:215 Y15:195 S40 ; define mesh grid; Heaters
M308 S0 P"bedtemp" Y"thermistor" A"Bed" T98801 B4185 ; configure sensor 0 as thermistor on pin bedtemp
M950 H0 C"bedheat" T0 ; create bed heater output on bedheat and map it to sensor 0
M307 H0 B0 S1.00 ; disable bang-bang mode for the bed heater and set PWM limit
M140 H0 ; map heated bed to heater 0
M143 H0 S100 ; set temperature limit for heater 0 to 100C
M308 S1 P"e0temp" Y"pt1000" ; configure sensor 1 as thermistor on pin e0temp
M950 H1 C"e0heat" T1 ; create nozzle heater output on e0heat and map it to sensor 1
M307 H1 B0 S1.00 ; disable bang-bang mode for heater and set PWM limit
M143 H1 S450 ; set temperature limit for heater 1 to 450C; Fans
M950 F0 C"fan0" Q500 ; create fan 0 on pin fan0 and set its frequency
M106 P0 S0 H-1 ; set fan 0 value. Thermostatic control is turned off
M950 F1 C"fan1" Q500 ; create fan 1 on pin fan1 and set its frequency
M106 P1 S1 H1 T45 ; set fan 1 value. Thermostatic control is turned on; Tools
M563 P0 D0 H1 F0 ; define tool 0
G10 P0 X0 Y0 Z0 ; set tool 0 axis offsets
G10 P0 R0 S0 ; set initial tool 0 active and standby temperatures to 0C; Custom settings are not defined
; Miscellaneous
M501 ; load saved parameters from non-volatile memory
M911 S10 R11 P"M913 X0 Y0 G91 M83 G1 Z3 E-5 F1000" ; set voltage thresholds and actions to run on power loss
T0 ; select first tool -
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So I was confused about that. I saw something talking about disconnecting the temp sensor from the board and punching in some commands….
I set this up when everything was still on the dozuki. What’s the process for tuning it?
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It only reached 254.
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@tmeryhew Look like your heater not have power to heat more. Type of used heater?
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I see you are using a 12v power supply.
What is the wattage rating of the extruder heater?
I'm thinking it lacks the wattage needed to obtain that temperature.
You may have to change to a 24v power supply which means anything 12v (fans, heaters) needs to be changed as well.
Frederick
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@fcwilt I have a 12V system. The side of the PSU says its rated up to 360 Watts.
As for the the heater cartridge, its the stock one that came with this Cr-10 Mini that I’ve been modifying. I’ll take it apart here in a bit and hopefully the wattage is listed on it somewhere.
Any recommendations on a better PSU and heater cartridge?
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Have you changed the thermistor that you are using? A standard thermistor poops out at around 300C and even if everything is ok, you will never reach 350C.
Maybe the current thermistor is marginal and only allows 250C?
Don't know but worth looking into.
As for heater wattage, P=V**2/R, V=12V so all you need to do is measure R to calculate wattage. Note that R increases a bit with temperature so this will only give you a rough idea. -
@tmeryhew said in Can’t Pass 250°:
@fcwilt I have a 12V system. The side of the PSU says its rated up to 360 Watts.
As for the the heater cartridge, its the stock one that came with this Cr-10 Mini that I’ve been modifying. I’ll take it apart here in a bit and hopefully the wattage is listed on it somewhere.
Any recommendations on a better PSU and heater cartridge?
Amazon has this which should be suitable: MEAN WELL LRS-350-24 350.4W 24V 14.6 Amp
Amazon also has 24v heater cartridges. A quick check showed several ranging from 40 to 65 watt. There is probably some way to determine the ideal wattage rating but I don't know what it is. You can control how much power is feed to the heater so if the ideal value was, say, 50 and you got a 65 you could just reduce power to obtain a good result.
As to fans it is usually easy to find a fan that matches what you have but in a 24v version. There has only been one time in my experience that I could not find a matching 24v fan.
If you happen to have a setup with uses a pair of matching 12v fans you can wire them in series and run them off 24v.
Frederick
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I just pulled out the heater and checked. It’s a 12V 40W heater cartridge.
I would think this should heat up past 250°.
Also, I put a PT1000 sensor in.
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@tmeryhew said in Can’t Pass 250°:
I just pulled out the heater and checked. It’s a 12V 40W heater cartridge.
Good to know.
I would think this should heat up past 250°
There are several factors that come into play which might make the 40w too small.
For $8-$9 you can get a 12v 60w on Amazon. Get one of those and get it a try.
Also, I put a PT1000 sensor in.
That's good but it won't solve the problem of an underpowered heater.
Frederick
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A 40W heater should get you to at least 300 degrees with everything else working properly.
An interesting thing to think about with a 12V heater .... there is considerable current flowing (3.35A) which might not sound like much but if your wiring is too thin, if you have connectors in the heater line or if your heater wires are excessively long then you might get too much of a voltage drop which could really screw with your power output.
The reason I know this - I had a connector in my heater line in order to replace the heater when needed. That connector heated up excessively, melted the plastic housing and eventually failed. This is the point where I switched to a 24V setup. Double the voltage, half the current .... happy connector, happy operator
Might not apply to you but thought I would mention it anyway.
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@tmeryhew said in Can’t Pass 250°:
I just pulled out the heater and checked. It’s a 12V 40W heater cartridge.
I would think this should heat up past 250°.
Also, I put a PT1000 sensor in.
If you have access to a multimeter, it might be worth checking the cartridge resistance to ensure that it is what it says it is. Ohm's law gives us R=V/I = 12/3.35 = approx 3.5 Ohm's for a 40Watt heater at 12V. If the resistance is significantly higher, then the wattage will be correspondingly lower.
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I just checked. I’m getting 4.4 ohms across the heater cartridge leads.
So my calculation is 32W at the cartridge.
Also, I rewired it directly to the board, same 250° top end limitation.
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@tmeryhew said in Can’t Pass 250°:
I just checked. I’m getting 4.4 ohms across the heater cartridge leads.
So my calculation is 32W at the cartridge.
Also, I rewired it directly to the board, same 250° top end limitation.
That measurement is usually good enough to get an idea of what the rating is.
But the resistance can drop as the cartridge heats yielding a higher wattage output.
Frederick
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@tmeryhew said in Can’t Pass 250°:
M501 ; load saved parameters from non-volatile memory
Have you also checked your config-override,.g ?
