DWC Custom Configuration

Dr_Ju_Ju

Yes I've used Repetier, Simplify3D etc., but I usually come back to Octoprint...

cosmowave

@dr_ju_ju It's up to you what you'd like to use.
Then can we close this thread or do you have an additional question?

Dr_Ju_Ju

I suppose I'll just have to accept that DWC is crap in the usability stakes, and use it for configuration only, its a pity that there also isn't a simple control interface...

Other than that, I would probably have to dump the board & go for something else.

cosmowave

@dr_ju_ju said in DWC Custom Configuration:

I suppose I'll just have to accept that DWC is crap in the usability stakes

Please discribe what's not user friendly in DWC?

TimsWorkshop

@dr_ju_ju Come on mate... beggers can't be choosers.

DWC is a community built UI as is the firmware and out all the different firmwares and UIs for 3D printing, I haven't seen a more active community from the makers themselves. We should be constantly applauding their efforts here, not saying 'it's just crap

I come from a web development background... I know how much is involved in writing an SPA, which has the functionality like DWC and the API endpoints to allow someone to develop a plugin to address UI enhancements.

You can't ask for a way to modify a UI and not write any code... It's like asking to drive a new car out of the lot with no engine.

And from years and years in the development world... a word I've come to hate is it should... Should is an assumption, and assumptions are usually from the naive and cause projects to go over budget and over time.

I appreciate what you're saying here, but there's a far better way to go about it...
One of them is to learn how to do it and help support the community...

Dr_Ju_Ju

Go look at Octoprint, where it's much easier to select an object for printing, the file view is automatically updated on upload & selected for printing, preheat, & start printing.

The Tab system, then makes it easier to monitor the running print on the control tab, and depending what plugins have been installed, even with webcam.

Other plugins then give more control, to the user, on what can be added or removed from the 'standard' interface such as full 3d gcode viewer etc

DWC is a super technical system of control, but all I'm interested in is the simple process of printing objects, which for me, will often be targeted at parts used in Astrophotography e.g. focuser motor mounts etc.

cosmowave

@dr_ju_ju Sorry, I don't understand your problem. You can use Octoprint for starting your prints... that's allowed!
Or make your own tab in DWC with the BtnCmd PlugIn...

But it can be, that my english is too bad for understand you correctly.
That's on my todo list, to better learn english. Unfortunatly my list is too long!

TimsWorkshop

@dr_ju_ju I've used Octoprint... I've used Repetier server... I have 4 printers and DWC works fine with me.
No one is forcing you to use DWC, attach a SBC and use Octoprint or connect Repetier, but I'm sorry mate, I find your posts unconstructive and more of just winging.

engikeneer

@dr_ju_ju said in DWC Custom Configuration:

Go look at Octoprint, where it's much easier to select an object for printing, the file view is automatically updated on upload & selected for printing, preheat, & start printing.

There is the 'upload and start' button in the top right of DWC. I almost always use this when kicking off a print, even if I know the file is already on the printer somewhere. It's easy and sets the print off straight away. Not sure if that helps?

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cosmowave

@arnold_r_clark said in DWC Custom Configuration:

I.M.H.O.P. I feel the product 100% SHOULD do a better job of being configurable for item placement, colours and font etc.

Once again: you can use Btn_Cmd for designing relatively easy your own tabs. With free button placement, millions of colors for the buttons and without learning a programming language.

When you buy a Duet Board, you know what you get. The hardware and software is well documented. When you read the docu, you can more or less imagine, what is possible and what not.
Nowhere is written that we easy can make our own layouts in DWC!

I don't know where you get the idea that all of this should be configurable?
When you buy a car, and you'd like to change the rims? You need tools and the skills... or somebody, who can make it for you!
When you buy Windows, you can't change the complete Layout to your needs!

theKM

@cosmowave said in DWC Custom Configuration:

When you buy a Duet Board, you know what you get...

...except that the controller itself is almost infinitely configurable. If you want, you can configure the controller to be a 3d printer, or a CNC machine with endless tools, or it can be an automatic 9 axis gcode driven kitten grinder. THAT is what the Duet board is; a stepper motor oriented machine thinkbox for anything that you need it to be.

Many of the firmware changes in recent years have literally been about removing assumptions of what the machine's purpose is, to be more of just a set of facilities ready to do whatever you want them to do.

You cannot, however, configure the user interface to do what you want it to be, for your specific purpose. A plugin doesn't override many assumptions made in the interface about the priority of the machine.

Why can't the UI move a little in the same direction?...

If the default config has it work exactly how it currently works, why do you care that there's a configuration option that hides the status components even on a large screen?...

The OP needs to convince a coder and maintainers to create and merge the feature... that's a large task... but why in heck do people go out of their way to block it from happening?...

jens55

I want one of those 9 axis kitten grinders now ..... maybe adopt it to handle puppies or upscale it as a Bambi grinder ... wooohoooo ....

BTW, since the hardware/firmware are built by one person and DWC is built by another person (who as far as I know is a volunteer), rather than jumping up and down it would be better to be thankful of what you have. I am sure that a request for additional features, if done nicely, would go far .... jumping up and down will get you nowhere.

The above is a general comment and not directed at anybody.

theKM

@jens55 ...absolutely. Anyone who's not a dev, who has a feature suggestion, has to try and convince the maintainers to care enough to work on it. And that's fine. If a maintainer doesn't care about it, then it doesn't get done, and I support that choice... but when others put up road blocks, insisting it's not needed, that's what weirds me out.

I think literally everyone who's a fan of the Duet is crazy thankful for the controller and the web interface. There's no other controller this configurable in general.

And as crazy good as the web interface is, the fact it can be changed with a web page tech means it's actually super adaptable. The Ooznest CNC interface being the perfect example, but now those features are rolled into the main branch, which is epic sauce and congrats to everyone!

I'd like to see the UI be more configurable... my day job is VueJS development, so I plan to look into what would be pragmatic. If I ever come up with something, I'll push it somewhere, make a PR, and then the maintainer(s) can decide to merge it or not. And I would be fine with it not being merged... but, it would also mean that it's in a public repo, and people could download my fork if they wanted.

...this is how open source goes

Sindarius

For a long time before plugins became available I used to keep a fork of the DWC with my GCode Viewer. A few folks used to use my fork for the feature. Once plugins became available I converted my code to utilize the plugin functionality. I feel plugins will be a great way forward for customization, btncmd for example. I think there is always a possibility for adding the ability to customize themes and maybe even content blocks but those take work. The other issue is that everyone has a different use case and what they consider “an optimal user interface”. Having folks put together something maintainable as an example can go a long way toward getting features and functions added to the ui. The merge of the DWC-CNC into the base is a fairly recent example of this. I think the Duet team is open and flexible to additions in the future but they don’t happen overnight and they have to take into consideration the larger group and that may not always reflect a given persons desirements.

theKM

@sindarius ....I'm curious about what people's reservations are. This is all about doing things by configuration, so unless you dig into the config of it, people will never have to bother with knowing that it can change at all.

Here's what I'd like to see, and will look into coding myself...

Default menu configuration, to have it work exactly how it does at the moment. This would be default, sitting there unchanged, nobody needs to know it exists...

(the "key-to-dashboard-title" things are placeholders to the key references in the translated language files in the app; anything new needs to support the current abilities of the app, including all the international languages. But if it's not a language key, just render the text)

{ "mainMenu": [
    {
        "type": "group",
        "titleKey": "control-title-key-in-lang-file",
        "items": [
                    { "titleKey": "key-to-dashboard-title", "icon": "icon-class-ref" },
                    { "titleKey": "key-to-console-title", "icon": "icon-class-ref" }
        ]
    },
    {
        "type": "group",
        "titleKey": "job-title-key-in-lang-file",
        "items": [
                    { "titleKey": "key-to-status-title", "icon": "icon-class-ref" }
        ]
    },
    {
        "type": "group",
        "titleKey": "files-title-key-in-lang-file",
        "items": [
                    { "titleKey": "filaments-title-key", "icon": "icon-class-ref" },
                    { "titleKey": "jobs-title-key", "icon": "icon-class-ref" },
                    { "titleKey": "macros-title-key", "icon": "icon-class-ref" },
                    { "titleKey": "system-title-key", "icon": "icon-class-ref" }
        ]
    },
    {
        "type": "group",
        "titleKey": "settings-title-key-in-lang-file",
        "items": [
                    { "titleKey": "general-title-key-in-lang-file", "icon": "icon-class-ref" },
                    { "titleKey": "machineSpecific-title-key-in-lang-file", "icon": "icon-class-ref" }
        ]
    }
]}

...with an additional ability to set reserved spaces for plugins to show up.

But, if someone wants to completely hack it up to their whim, the following changes the control group, flattens the other groups, put a plugin in place of the dashboard, and maybe even put a gcode button as a first class citizen...

{
  "mainMenu": [
    {
      "type": "group",
      "title": "My Super Awesome Menu",
      "items": [
        {
          "title": "Dashboard",
          "plugin": "mySuperPlugin",
          "icon": "super-awesome"
        },
        {
          "titleKey": "key-to-console-title",
          "icon": "icon-class-ref"
        },
        {
          "title": "Macro Things",
          "plugin": "BtnCmd",
          "icon": "whatever"
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "title": "Dashboard",
      "plugin": "mySuperPlugin",
      "icon": "super-awesome"
    },
    {
      "titleKey": "key-to-status-title",
      "icon": "icon-class-ref"
    },
    {
      "titleKey": "filaments-title-key",
      "icon": "icon-class-ref"
    },
    {
      "titleKey": "jobs-title-key",
      "icon": "icon-class-ref"
    },
    {
      "titleKey": "macros-title-key",
      "icon": "icon-class-ref"
    },
    {
      "titleKey": "system-title-key",
      "icon": "icon-class-ref"
    },
    {
      "title": "FUNKY MACRO",
      "gcode": "G28",
      "icon": "icon-class-ref"
    }
  ]
}

...again, if people don't change the cofig, they don't even have to know it's possible to care about it.

This is the kind of configuration that would help developers make the core functionality let alone give a way for people to manipulate it as they wish. It's the kind of thing I do at work all the time, make things configurable... when people come to me to ask for a change, I say it's already possible and they could have done it themselves from the settings panel or whatever. Good fun.

theKM

@thekm

After poking the source code, my guess above was already pretty darn close to how it already is. The root of the routing code...

export const Menu = Vue.observable({
	Control: {
		icon: 'mdi-tune',
		caption: 'menu.control.caption',
		pages: []
	},
	Job: {
		icon: 'mdi-printer',
		caption: 'menu.job.caption',
		pages: []
	},
	Files: {
		icon: 'mdi-sd',
		caption: 'menu.files.caption',
		pages: []
	},
	Plugins: {
		icon: 'mdi-puzzle',
		caption: 'menu.plugins.caption',
		pages: []
	},
	Settings: {
		icon: 'mdi-wrench',
		caption: 'menu.settings.caption',
		pages: []
	}
})

...with a component self-registering into the menu and the route with...

		registerRoute(this, {
			Control: {
				Dashboard: {
					icon: 'mdi-view-dashboard',
					caption: 'menu.control.dashboard',
					path: '/'
				}
			}
		});

...just externalise this configuration. I can't think of any reason why this couldn't/shouldn't be done.
.

If people can have control of the menu, they could promote a plugin to take the place of the dashboard, and then they are, for all intents and purposes, in control of just about everything in the interface.

MintyTrebor

Chipping in as we seem to have a number of plugin devs on this thread, and to possibly help the OP query.

@Dr_Ju_Ju The DWC top section can be hidden (as mentioned in an earlier post) if you happen to running on mobile. A button appears to show hide the section. I have looked at the code and it only requires the DWC dev @chrishamm to change 2 lines of code to enable that button for all screen sizes. I see no functional reason why this change cannot be requested to be included in the next release if @chrishamm agrees. Hopefully this would help alleviate some of your frustration.

Screenshot 2021-09-29 074956.png

From a plugin dev perspective I personally would like the change to go one step further and make the show/hide button function addressable through the JS Dom (it may already be, I just haven't tried yet). This way plugin dev's can use/offer the option to show hide the top section in their UI if required. This seems like a low impact way of making this feature more useful, without compromising existing functionality.

Going forward if this change were to be made, I would expand BtnCmd to include more DWC info/control panels (I only offer a small selection currently) enabling a user to effectively pick and choose the panels they want on screen, which would go some way to meeting the demand for more customisation options.

I can see this being helpful for other plugins where more screen real estate would be desirable - heightmap - gcode viewer etc....

Thoughts?

Given the amount of interest this post has generated I would be interested to hear @chrishamm thoughts on these proposals / discussion.

Update: For the plugin devs

window.document.getElementById("global-container").hidden = true;

does already work to show/hide top section - (I had to have a go )

chimaeragh

@mintytrebor It would be nice if the web control was more modular and you could pick which modules to enable. I had to use your plugin to create a custom simpler interface because the default is too much for my needs. But the unecessary parts still load and take away from the user experience

gloomyandy

@chimaeragh I've not used the button plugin, but perhaps it would help the developers of both that and the main part of DWC if you could explain a little more as to what parts of your current setup you find unnecessary and how they take away from the user experience?