okay thanks i will mess around with it a little more tomorrow i havent tried any programs for generating the gcode for using the laser all i was attempting to do so far was to turn the laser on and that was probably where i am going wrong. usually any problems i have ran into with the duet 3 has been on my end. I had almost given up on anything to do with 3d printers because i did not like Marlin at all but thought i would buy the duet 3 after you helped me get the first one going a while back i have bought 2 more boards and they completely changed my outlook on 3d printers. so truly thank you for such an easy and in my opinion superior product.