Thanks Ian
that just answered what I found during research .
It is really a shame, such a super piece of hardware and no way of getting the total print time out of it.
I am working and building octoprint servers, There it is a feature ever there since I can think;
even more with the "print time genius" plugin you get more precise predictions of print time already during print, so if you change parameters on Slicer even if not printed to the end you already can predict total print time
so now after going through my other post Pressure advance and print time and adjusted all paramters so I now get reasonable results in print time but still getting ringing artefacts
arround corners AND on straight lines.
I strongly belive that the motor current produces a resonance!
Therfore I reduced Motor current to 1000mA again because I see at 80mm/s and have still resonance in the x and y direction
additional with no ringing compensation on, measured 3mm peak to peak an 80mm/s speed, so I applied 26,6 Hz
M593 F26.60 ; cancel ringing at perimeter 80mm/s/3mm=26,6, Hz Dynamic Acceleration Adjustment (DAA)
result: NO noticable enhancement and reduction auf oscillation (ringing) at all!
on all Axis still remaining the same 3mm the ringing is because of the heavier bed as expected more noticable on the x axis than vice versa,
any idea what still causes the ringing even if 593 applied?
Total Print time!!:
again I was searching for the total "true" time of the print.
all research in the forum ended with no such simple and absoltuly necessary found.
Do I miss something if yes please tell me how to find total print times,
to have a comparison print time wise between variation of printing and driving parameters.
Went back to PA .55-.6 with 1.3 the corners and other edges went totally crap
with upping all the jerk and acceleration settings like Chris it looks very promising in print time and visuable print quality now
I reduced motor current on x and y to 1000mA I have crazy oscillations on x axis at high speed .
if the print now turns good on print quality with 80mm/s, I will return to to the
;M593 F40.0 ; cancel ringing at 40.0Hz Dynamic Acceleration Adjustment (DAA)
for improving the ringing arround the edges.
on the last print with 1200mA current I could see
different oscillations visualized on long straight x edges, at last print, it seems that the high motor current
gets into a resonance frequency at high speed double the peak distance than cornering frequency.
Question: is there an other setting for frequencys on reprap controlling (not DAA), frequencys of high speed?
@jay_s_uk
Thank you for that information,
I have the same stock lenght but replaced the extruder with a full metal and dual driven gears.
As I can remember, I have set up a test via Prusa gcode settings vary every n-layers of height
going through all values of PA up to 1.0
I was pretty sure to pick .55 on purpose but right now I have found Chris Basment youtube video about pressure advance and his value is as well 1.3.
so without further considerations I will setup PA to 1.3
and
also found Chris settings especial tuned to the ender 3 with much higher Jerk and accelerations
and go on testing from this point
P.S.:(shocking for me was Chris motor current settings on x and y of 500mA) way too low considering my other post with layer shift!
I have set it in the start gcode , anyway attached both start gcode and config.g:?
G28 ;Home all
;G91
;G1 Z10 F6000 ; lift Z relative to current position
;G90 ; Make sure we are in absolute mode
;G1 X150 Y122 F6000 ;Fahre zur Mitte des Betts
;G30 ; Do a Single probe to home Z axis
M572 D0 S0.55 ; Pressure Advance Duet Wifi
;M593 F40.0 ; cancel ringing at 40.0Hz Dynamic Acceleration Adjustment (DAA)
Config.g:
Ender3ProDuetWifi
Send code...
Status
Printing
Mode: FFF
Tool Position
X
150.0
Y
135.0
Z
6.50
Extruder Drives
Drive 0
0.0
Speeds
Requested Speed
0 mm/s
Top Speed
0 mm/s
Sensors
Vin
23.6 V
MCU Temperature
23.7 C
Z-Probe
0
Tools
Extra
Control All
Tool Heater Current Active Standby
Tool 0
T0 - Load Filament Heater 1
active 222.1 C
225
225
Bed Heater 0
active 65.1 C
65
0
Temperature Chart
System Directory
0:/sys/config.g
; Configuration file for Duet WiFi (firmware version 3)
; executed by the firmware on start-up
;
; generated by RepRapFirmware Configuration Tool v3.1.9 on Sat Nov 28 2020 19:48:11 GMT+0100 (Mitteleuropäische Normalzeit)
; General preferences
G90 ; send absolute coordinates...
M83 ; ...but relative extruder moves
M550 P"Ender3ProDuetWifi" ; set printer name
; Network
M552 S1 ; enable network
M586 P0 S1 ; enable HTTP
M586 P1 S0 ; disable FTP
M586 P2 S0 ; disable Telnet
; Drives
M569 P0 S1 ; physical drive 0 goes forwards
M569 P1 S1 ; physical drive 1 goes forwards
M569 P2 S1 ; physical drive 2 goes forwards
M569 P3 S0 ; 3dp Extruder reverse physical drive 3 goes backward
M584 X0 Y1 Z2 E3 ; set drive mapping
M350 X16 Y16 Z16 E16 I1 ; configure microstepping with interpolation
M92 X80.00 Y80.00 Z400.00 E131.00 ; set steps per mm E Basis 95
M566 X900.00 Y900.00 Z60.00 E120.00 ; set maximum instantaneous speed changes (mm/min)
M203 X6000.00 Y6000.00 Z300.00 E1200.00 ; set maximum speeds (mm/min)
M201 X500.00 Y500.00 Z20.00 E250.00 ; set accelerations (mm/s^2)
M906 X1200 Y1200 Z1200 E1200 I30 ; set motor currents (mA) and motor idle factor in per cent
M84 S30 ; Set idle timeout
; Axis Limits
M208 X0 Y0 Z0 S1 ; set axis minima
M208 X235 Y230 Z250 S0 ; set axis maxima
; Endstops
M574 X1 S1 P"xstop" ; configure active-high endstop for low end on X via pin xstop
M574 Y1 S1 P"ystop" ; configure active-high endstop for low end on Y via pin ystop
M574 Z1 S2 ; configure active-high endstop for low end on Z via BLTouch
;M574 Z1 S1 P"zstop" ; org configure active-high endstop for low end on Z via pin zstop
; Z-Probe Achtung Reprap V3!
M558 P9 C"^zprobe.in" H5 F120 T6000 ; Set Z probe type to bltouch and the dive height + speeds
M950 S0 C"exp.heater7"
;----------------------Trigger-------------------------
G31 P500 X-40 Y-12 Z1.50 ; Set Z probe trigger value, offset and trigger height je GROESSER desto NAEHER DRAN
;----------------------Trigger-------------------------
M557 X35:235 Y35:200 S40 ; Define mesh grid S40 bedeutet die Grid-Messpunkte sind 40mm voneinenander entfernt
M671 X35:200:200:35 Y200:200:35:35 P0.5 ; point1 (35,200), point2 (200,200), point3 (200,35), point4 (35,35)
; Heaters
;M308 S0 P"bedtemp" Y"thermistor" T107600 B4183 R4700 ; configure sensor 0 as thermistor on pin bedtemp
;M308 S0 P"bedtemp" Y"thermistor" T100000 B4138 ; configure sensor 0 as thermistor on pin bedtemp
M308 S0 P"bedtemp" Y"thermistor" T100000 B3950 ; Umbau Silikonheizbett NTC 3950 100kOhm configure sensor 0 as thermistor on pin bedtemp
M950 H0 C"bedheat" T0 ; create bed heater output on bedheat and map it to sensor 0
;M307 H0 B0 S1.00 ; diable bang-bang mode for the bed heater and set PWM limit "B1 is on"
M307 H0 P558.6 I136.699 D327.8 B0 S1.00 ; diable bang-bang mode for the bed heater and set PWM limit "B1 is on"
M140 H0 ; map heated bed to heater 0
M143 H0 S135 ; set temperature limit for heater 0 to 120C
M308 S1 P"e0temp" Y"thermistor" T100000 B4138 ; configure sensor 1 as thermistor on pin e0temp
M950 H1 C"e0heat" T1 ; create nozzle heater output on e0heat and map it to sensor 1
M307 H1 B0 S1.00 ; disable bang-bang mode for heater and set PWM limit
M143 H1 S280 ; set temperature limit for heater 1 to 250C
; Fans
M950 F0 C"fan0" Q500 ; create fan 0 on pin fan0 and set its frequency
M106 P0 S0 H-1 ; set fan 0 value. Thermostatic control is turned off
M950 F1 C"fan1" Q500 ; create fan 1 on pin fan1 and set its frequency
M106 P1 S1 H1 T45 ; set fan 1 value. Thermostatic control is turned on
M950 F2 C"fan2" Q500 ; create fan 2 on pin fan2 and set its frequency
M106 P2 S1 H1 T45 ; set fan 2 value. Thermostatic control is turned on
; Tools
M563 P0 D0 H1 F0 ; define tool 0
G10 P0 X0 Y0 Z0 ; set tool 0 axis offsets
G10 P0 R0 S0 ; set initial tool 0 active and standby temperatures to 0C
; Custom settings are not defined
; Miscellaneous
M575 P1 S1 B57600 ; enable support for PanelDue
I have printed a shell on different printers all the same parameters in prusa except different Printer with different hardware and this one with duet wifi.
So all printing parameter remain the same except the printer specific
printtime difference:
other printers 8-9 hours
Ender 3 Duet wifi
about 17 hours!!!!!
The only thing I can see is Pressure Advance on the duet wifi.
What I can see by eye during movement it seems the speed is as on the other printer,but
sometimes it nearly comes to a halt (I think at layer change)
Does anybody have experiences with "Pressure Advance" take massiv more print time!?
Seeing all this different situations out of the geometry I would like to see how every single situation and the ghosting in relation to cornering sharpness accelleration straightness speet fits into the shown results.
Thanks in advance,
will add the M593 faktor to the pre-gecode and see if there ist an improvement
little update
I have downloaded a jerk and acceleration test like teaching tech expalins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mnvj6xCzikM
and have just printed with 1200mA instead of 800mA
same strong belt tension as before (tested this after)
and at least with the testobject and in relation with what I see in his video my print looks pretty good better than in the video.
So as i directly cannot compare (for that I have to print the same housing again) its seems
that upping the amps has done a good job,
try to upload some images but a movie would be better!
Is there anybody out there who can explain why upping the current my lead to this better
result of barly seing ghosting better and consistant layerthickness (but, the test body was only 1 permeter no infill( so there are other things to consider in a closesd filled body!?
Good point !
I checked all the rolers on the belt tensioners and there are toothed rollers as it should be .
I double checked every axis if there isn't any rubbing or continous massive oscilation or vibration when I move the bed or the x-axis,
Though you gave me a very important advise:
The rollers were correct but
what I found out by reducing the belt tension the oscilation of the bed and x-axis could be reduced to a very smooth movment farliy noticable belt drive any more.
so conlcution: it seems that the belts where maybe too tight, but
they feel now so sluggish that I get probably other negativ effects.
If I titen them to my exprience like all my other printers the result is like shown,
on my other printers I do have the same pretention and I can feel the belt oscilating effect
of the teeth but get inspite of that perfect surfaces.
@jay_s_uk OK
I will up to 80%= 1.2A even of the harsh sound but this schould at least eliminate the layer shift
I will leave the question open if a high motor current can leave to a worser surface!
May be there is somebody out who can share explicit experiences about the relation of
motor current =? harshness motorsound =? worser suface quality
From M593 documtentation:
High X and Y jerk values reduce the effectiveness of DAA; therefore you should set the X and Y jerk limits only as high as necessary to allow curves to be printed smoothly.
What are your jerk settings for a Ender3 linear conversion (disregarding my heavy bed)?
Yes thanks the bed is a 6mm fine milled aluminium plate, but the layer shift occured in "X" direction.
The ghosting is on either direction the same, if the mass of the y axis would be the trouble maker it should be different ghosting in x and y .
as you clearly can see on the picture it seems to be the same in both direction.
correct assumption?
M593 I will dig into it sounds very interesting, didnt recognize this before
Thank you very much for the valuable tip!
I had it before to 1000mA but the layer shift occurred with 800mA.
I went down to 800mA beause of the harsh sound and the bad surface with 1000mA, in the hope of getting better surface to less current and therefore less rough motor management
Sorry for what ever reason you have to upload one picture at a time:
Hello,
I am helpless after building more than 12 printers by myself, but now
I have converted and Ender 3 with a Duet Wi-Fi board and linear guides,
and the print result are the worst and inconsistent of all my linear conversions incl. Two Tree Saphire s and Pro
What do I get, and have now idea why this happens:
See attached pictures for better understanding.
I have checked all the parameters that could come into consideration:
In the following I will post pictures of the print results and the config.g that was used to print the part
      
I set the motor current to 800 as I found in the guide somewhere here set as default.
If I take higher values the motors sound very agressive and my fear was that this would cause wiggling arefacts on the surface. What are your defaults.
Here no my config.g
; Configuration file for Duet WiFi (firmware version 3)
; executed by the firmware on start-up
;
; generated by RepRapFirmware Configuration Tool v3.1.9 on Sat Nov 28 2020 19:48:11 GMT+0100 (Mitteleuropäische Normalzeit)
; General preferences
G90 ; send absolute coordinates...
M83 ; ...but relative extruder moves
M550 P"Ender3ProDuetWifi" ; set printer name
; Network
M552 S1 ; enable network
M586 P0 S1 ; enable HTTP
M586 P1 S0 ; disable FTP
M586 P2 S0 ; disable Telnet
; Drives
M569 P0 S1 ; physical drive 0 goes forwards
M569 P1 S1 ; physical drive 1 goes forwards
M569 P2 S1 ; physical drive 2 goes forwards
M569 P3 S0 ; 3dp Extruder reverse physical drive 3 goes backward
M584 X0 Y1 Z2 E3 ; set drive mapping
M350 X16 Y16 Z16 E16 I1 ; configure microstepping with interpolation
M92 X80.00 Y80.00 Z400.00 E131.00 ; set steps per mm E Basis 95
M566 X900.00 Y900.00 Z60.00 E120.00 ; set maximum instantaneous speed changes (mm/min)
M203 X6000.00 Y6000.00 Z300.00 E1200.00 ; set maximum speeds (mm/min)
M201 X500.00 Y500.00 Z20.00 E250.00 ; set accelerations (mm/s^2)
M906 X800 Y800 Z800 E800 I30 ; set motor currents (mA) and motor idle factor in per cent
M84 S30 ; Set idle timeout
; Axis Limits
M208 X0 Y0 Z0 S1 ; set axis minima
M208 X235 Y230 Z250 S0 ; set axis maxima
; Endstops
M574 X1 S1 P"xstop" ; configure active-high endstop for low end on X via pin xstop
M574 Y1 S1 P"ystop" ; configure active-high endstop for low end on Y via pin ystop
M574 Z1 S2 ; configure active-high endstop for low end on Z via BLTouch
;M574 Z1 S1 P"zstop" ; org configure active-high endstop for low end on Z via pin zstop
; Z-Probe Achtung Reprap V3!
M558 P9 C"^zprobe.in" H5 F120 T6000 ; Set Z probe type to bltouch and the dive height + speeds
M950 S0 C"exp.heater7"
G31 P500 X-40 Y-12 Z1.60 ; Set Z probe trigger value, offset and trigger height je gGROESSER desto NAEHER DRAN
M557 X35:235 Y35:200 S40 ; Define mesh grid S40 bedeutet die Grid-Messpunkte sind 40mm voneinenander entfernt
M671 X35:200:200:35 Y200:200:35:35 P0.5 ; point1 (35,200), point2 (200,200), point3 (200,35), point4 (35,35)
; Heaters
;M308 S0 P"bedtemp" Y"thermistor" T107600 B4183 R4700 ; configure sensor 0 as thermistor on pin bedtemp
;M308 S0 P"bedtemp" Y"thermistor" T100000 B4138 ; configure sensor 0 as thermistor on pin bedtemp
M308 S0 P"bedtemp" Y"thermistor" T100000 B3950 ; Umbau Silikonheizbett NTC 3950 100kOhm configure sensor 0 as thermistor on pin bedtemp
M950 H0 C"bedheat" T0 ; create bed heater output on bedheat and map it to sensor 0
;M307 H0 B0 S1.00 ; diable bang-bang mode for the bed heater and set PWM limit "B1 is on"
M307 H0 P558.6 I136.699 D327.8 B0 S1.00 ; diable bang-bang mode for the bed heater and set PWM limit "B1 is on"
M140 H0 ; map heated bed to heater 0
M143 H0 S135 ; set temperature limit for heater 0 to 120C
M308 S1 P"e0temp" Y"thermistor" T100000 B4138 ; configure sensor 1 as thermistor on pin e0temp
M950 H1 C"e0heat" T1 ; create nozzle heater output on e0heat and map it to sensor 1
M307 H1 B0 S1.00 ; disable bang-bang mode for heater and set PWM limit
M143 H1 S280 ; set temperature limit for heater 1 to 250C
; Fans
M950 F0 C"fan0" Q500 ; create fan 0 on pin fan0 and set its frequency
M106 P0 S0 H-1 ; set fan 0 value. Thermostatic control is turned off
M950 F1 C"fan1" Q500 ; create fan 1 on pin fan1 and set its frequency
M106 P1 S1 H1 T45 ; set fan 1 value. Thermostatic control is turned on
M950 F2 C"fan2" Q500 ; create fan 2 on pin fan2 and set its frequency
M106 P2 S1 H1 T45 ; set fan 2 value. Thermostatic control is turned on
; Tools
M563 P0 D0 H1 F0 ; define tool 0
G10 P0 X0 Y0 Z0 ; set tool 0 axis offsets
G10 P0 R0 S0 ; set initial tool 0 active and standby temperatures to 0C
; Custom settings are not defined
; Miscellaneous
M575 P1 S1 B57600 ; enable support for PanelDue
and the start gcodes of the Ender 3:
And as you can see my speed settings are, at least for my experiences low.
on the other machines I almost get no or hardly to see ghosting!
So, if you have the same type of machine setup and experiences better results than me please help me out with your experiences especially
and
that is why I am asking here, are there settings in the config.g wrong so it can be responsible for the different bad print results.
Thank you so much in advance
Regards
yes definitly need preview files in file file list!
if scrolling through files wie "preview thumbs" to identify the file to prin,t is remarkably faster and is just for identifying the searched part.
This has nothing to do with preview 3d gcode.
Preview a gecode is painfully slow as it requires "each part "to be rendered before beeing viewed.
That does not fullfill quick search through file list and identify what you need.
Thumbnails is a preview "in" fiels list, to help in one vie,w identifyiing the neede part.
hope this clearifys the prurpose.
Thanks for quick response
I found the article about Panel due and preview Prusa Slicer Thumbnails .
It is quite old and it was picked up but I cannot find any information
that it has finally been integrated.
What is the actual status? Was it integrated
Where can I find it.
I am used to work 90% with octoprint and this is a feature I newer want to miss again
and on DWC that is one of the features that should have been integrated for usability reasons.
Thank you in advance
