Is Duet still open source?
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FWIW, I believe Duet should either remove the entire "OPEN" green bar from their website, or, my preference, they should get a lot better about actually releasing things. And perhaps link from that green bar to the repository.
Right now, they clearly don't deserve to be representing that they are open.
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Clearly state something like "hardware files will be released after first hardware shipments to customers" (and then, of course, do that).
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@Danal said in Is Duet still open source?:
FWIW, I believe Duet should either remove the entire "OPEN" green bar from their website, or, my preference, they should get a lot better about actually releasing things. And perhaps link from that green bar to the repository.
Right now, they clearly don't deserve to be representing that they are open.
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Clearly state something like "hardware files will be released after first hardware shipments to customers" (and then, of course, do that).
It’s amazing how many people are so demanding of projects (open and closed).
To the entire team of hardware and software devs building these products..Thanks, you are amazing and your work is awesome.
To those that are complaining, chill out. This stuff isn’t easy or free to design, build and test. If it is rushed you will just get buggy garbage that catches fire spontaneously.
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@mwwhited said in Is Duet still open source?:
To those that are complaining, chill out. This stuff isn’t easy or free to design, build and test. If it is rushed you will just get buggy garbage that catches fire spontaneously.
and clones with the same issues with no incentive to fix it; duet have said they'll release it, just not when. idk if the license has any requirements to that regard
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@bearer said in Is Duet still open source?:
... idk if the license has any requirements to that regard
I think that the concerns are about truthful representation to potential buyers. For example, the Duet's website currently states:
All the hardware designs are licensed under the CERN OHL 1.2. The design files are released on GitHub.
Not all buyers are long time members here and understand the nuances, timeline, and the dilemmas of the Duet team.
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@zapta said in Is Duet still open source?:
Duet's website currently states:
I would think the simple explanation is the good old "it was true at the time"; and while I feel less strongly about it it would warrant adding an caveat to that statement or simply releasing the files.
Simply changing "are released" to "will be released" should satisfy the current and future debacles?
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@mwwhited said in Is Duet still open source?:
@Danal said in Is Duet still open source?:
FWIW, I believe Duet should either remove the entire "OPEN" green bar from their website, or, my preference, they should get a lot better about actually releasing things. And perhaps link from that green bar to the repository.
Right now, they clearly don't deserve to be representing that they are open.
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Clearly state something like "hardware files will be released after first hardware shipments to customers" (and then, of course, do that).
It’s amazing how many people are so demanding of projects (open and closed).
To the entire team of hardware and software devs building these products..Thanks, you are amazing and your work is awesome.
To those that are complaining, chill out. This stuff isn’t easy or free to design, build and test. If it is rushed you will just get buggy garbage that catches fire spontaneously.
Since you directly quoted me all I am really asking is:
"Do what you say; say what you do"
If THAT has somehow become to harsh to say out loud, or is "Demanding", or even worse if the principle itself is debatable... well, I don't even know how to finish that thought.
Search my posts. 99.9% or more are supportive of Duet, and I regularly recommend them to friends and on other forums. At the same time, "Do what you say, say what you do" with regard to being open is a statement that needs to be heard.
Delta / Kossel printer fanatic
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The design files are released on GitHub.
Can be interpreted in several ways. One way is of a generalized procedure.
The design files are (routinely) released on GitHub (at the time they are ready to be released).
It's not saying that all the design files are already there. It's saying that's where they are released.
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@Danal said in Is Duet still open source?:
If THAT has somehow become to harsh to say out loud, or is "Demanding"
This is cognitive dissonance, and is not personal. We humans are not good with consolidating opposing views. In this case, "The Duet's people are awesome" (they are) vs. "The Duet website misrepresents the OSH situation" (it does). It creates stress.
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Zapta said it very well. I have very positive opinion of Duet the company and the individuals in it. I also believe they can up the degree to which they align the green bar on the web site says with regard to 'open', align that better to actions.
Those two things may seem dissonant to others.
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Appropos open source hardware, Prusa publishes this interactive BOM that is generated by this tool https://github.com/openscopeproject/InteractiveHtmlBom.
Duet team may find it useful for publishing, but I presume that everybody with access to kicad files can generate them as well.
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@zapta hadn't seen that. It does seem geared towards assembly rather than repair/review but still I'd say anything that lowers the bar of accessibility is a good thing keeping multiple versions of KiCad on hand doesn't promote accessibility even if everyone in theory could do do it. Thanks for pointing it out, usefull to Duet or not.
