Strange Blobbing on Layer Change

giostark

@davidewen
Hi Davide,
Maybe you are super skilled already with all those programs , I'll just try to be cooperative.
Is a little hard to tell for sure regarding just one possible solution.
I use Cura and I can try suggesting something using it.

Try to use Cura 4.13.1. The 5.X series address some issue with concentric shapes (the width of the lines) and is removed the function of exclude tiny gaps, resulting in additional movement and extrusions. (maybe is not the case but on circular shapes could help the first point).
Try to use defined seam. (so , not the shortest nor the random or sharpest) . In the preview look for the best position where to place the seam. (back , front, left etc) . Try to obtain on vertical line as seam. If necessary rotate the shape. (Cura is rotation sensitive , and you can discover it looking the support lines)
Try to work on Wall > outer wall wipe distance. (should help to hide the seam inside the shape)
Try to work on Travel > disable retraction at layer change (this avoid pause and leak of materials because the pressure)
Try to work on Travel > combing mode on all (less retraction > less pressure changing > less leaking)
Try to work on Travel > disable retraction before outer wall
Try to work on Experimental > enable coasting . Here work on the number of the area of the nozzle. (moving without retraction should reduce the amount of material leaked for the variation of pressure. If you exaggerate with this option , or the sum of all those settings, you could generate holes instead of blobs).
Keep in mind that if you change layer height , all those parameters will change. To my printer ,to print at 0.3 or 0.2 is not absolutely the same.
And you have seen by yourself with the first shape on left that emphasize the issues.
Keep in mind that not all the shape can use the same profile.
The concept is to try to avoid the numbers of retractions and keep the material's extrusion the more constant you can.
Then... is not exactly clear from the picture , because there are not 90 degree corners , check the belt tension. On quick and fast direction's change you can have a little of vibration of the nozzle. Or instead do not exaggerate with the speed of the print.

I tried to inspect your picture , thanks for the high resolution.
The lines seems good except for the seams.
I'm optimistic that you can nail the right combo of settings.

davidewen

@giostark
Thanks for responding. I also responded to @Phaedrux on the other older post. This may be a better place to continue the conversation.

My printers are at the office. I'll test your ideas on Monday.

You mentioned 90° corners. These blobs are still present on those as well.
Watching the printer, the pause between layer changes is very evident. And at the location of the pause is where the blobs occur.
Most other posts talk about pressure advance and jerk control. I haven't done much with those settings, so I'm not very familiar with the pros/cons or the affects of making changes.

The easiest thing for me to test will be the suggestion from @Phaedrux regarding the Z axis speed. So I will start with that.

Cheers,
David

giostark

@davidewen
Yep the Z in M566 could be higher. Right now I have just a delta printer and settled 800 on all 3 axis.
You have 900 on x and y. Why so slow on z with just 60?
David suggest the default as 600 in this post:
https://forum.duet3d.com/topic/310/m566-what-s-a-good-number
But someone use even 1200.

Please if you found the solution replay here so that will be useful to us all

ps:
I have to learn to check before the config.g and then the slicer , damn. Here the phaedrux's skill was evident!
My advice still remain good for refinement

davidewen

@giostark @Phaedrux ,

Thanks for your help.
Changing the Z Axis speed has definitely helped.

I'm still getting a dimple at the Z-Seam, but not blobs as before.

new numbers.
M566 X1500.00 Y1500.00 Z600.00 E120.00 ; set maximum instantaneous speed changes (mm/min)

test cone (N)0.6 (L)0.36 (IF)15% (S)80 (T)250°C (F)ASA (T)9m .gcode

Phaedrux

Increase your extruder jerk.

giostark

@davidewen
On the Bondtech BMG I have settled E1200. Tie well the screw otherwise the gears will dent the wire.

Norder

@davidewen
How many mm is your retract in the slicer and at what speed does it run ?

davidewen

@Phaedrux
Sorry for the slow response. We're trying to get a big project out the door and that has been consuming time.

I've increased jerk in PrusaSlicer to the following;
X: 32
Y: 32
Z: 32
E: 20

And here are my config.g settings

M566 X1500.00 Y1500.00 Z600.00 E120.00			; set maximum instantaneous speed changes (mm/min)

M203 X12000.00 Y12000.00 Z600.00 E2100.00		; set maximum speeds (mm/min)
M201 X1500.00 Y1500.00 Z500.00 E250.00			; set accelerations (mm/s^2)

Still getting the same results.

davidewen

@Norder
PrusaSlicer Retraction settings;
Length: 0.8
Z lift: 0.4
Speed: 40
Min Travel: 2
Retract on layer: off
Min travel after retract: 2
Wipe while retracting; on
retract amount before wipe: 80%

weed2all

@davidewen try retracting a little bit more...like 0.85 or 0.90! Also reduce the retraction speed to something like 25 to 30
Jerk values are to high!

Norder

@davidewen
So far the settings look good.
If you don't have stringing or other problems with blobs or similar, then the 0.8mm retraction path is probably OK. But it can change depending on the temperature and filament and then higher values would be more suitable, which could then go up to 1.5mm.

That with the speed could reduce this gap at the Z-seam, as weed2all already wrote, 25-30 mm/s may be better values for you.

If these changes don't bring any improvements, you could enter something under "Extra length on restart". Step up there by 0.1mm.
This option of "Extra length on restart" is rarely used.

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Soweit sehen die Einstellungen gut aus.
Wenn Du kein Stringing hast oder sonstige Probleme mit Kleckse o.ä., dann sind die 0.8mm Rückzugsweg wohl OK. Es kann sich aber je nach Temperatur und Filament ändern und dann wären höhere Werte besser geeignet die dann gerne mal bis 1.5mm gehen könnten.

Das mit der Geschwindigkeit könnte diesen Spalt an der Z-Naht verringern, wie weed2all bereits schrieb sind 25-30 mm/s gegebenenfalls bessere Werte für Dich.

Sollten diese Änderungen keine Verbesserungen bringen, dann könntest Du bei "Extralänge bei Neustart" etwas eintragen. Dort Schrittweise mit 0.1mm herangehen.
Diese Option der "Extralänge bei Neustart" wird eher selten genutzt.

Phaedrux

@davidewen said in Strange Blobbing on Layer Change:

I've increased jerk in PrusaSlicer to the following;
X: 32
Y: 32
Z: 32
E: 20

Where did you change that?

I assume that's in mm/s?

Does prusa slicer now allow per move jerk settings as well as acceleration? I didn't think so.

Is your prusa slicer set to RepRap gcode flavour?

Can you share a sliced gcode file?

Your config file still has the limits set very low, so unless your slicer is actually sending M566/M203/M201 commands to change the limits during a print you are being limited by the config.g

Norder

@Phaedrux

Does prusa slicer now allow per move jerk settings as well as acceleration? I didn't think so.

The PrusaSlicer has its own jerk setting (mm/s), maximum acceleration (mm/s²) and maximum feed (mm/s)
for each axis.

Phaedrux

@Norder said in Strange Blobbing on Layer Change:

The PrusaSlicer has its own jerk setting

Where? You mean in the machine limits?

Norder

@Phaedrux
Yes, exactly.
But it is clear that the upper limit is determined by the config.g.

davidewen

@Norder @Phaedrux @weed2all

Thank you all for responding.
I will not be able to check settings or respond back with said settings until late next week.

Cheers

davidewen

@Phaedrux

Yes, I made those changes in PrusaSlicer.
Are you suggesting that I make the changes in config.g?
And if so, is that command M566?

My current M566 is not labeled "jerk" so I just want to confirm.

M566 X1500.00 Y1500.00 Z600.00 E120.00			; set maximum instantaneous speed changes (mm/min)

M203 X12000.00 Y12000.00 Z600.00 E2100.00		; set maximum speeds (mm/min)

M201 X1500.00 Y1500.00 Z500.00 E250.00			; set accelerations (mm/s^2)

Phaedrux

Yes, maximum instantaneous speed changes is often called jerk.

davidewen

@Phaedrux

Got it. Do you have some recommendations from my current settings?

Phaedrux

@davidewen Try these

M566 X1500.00 Y1500.00 Z600.00 E3000			; set maximum instantaneous speed changes (mm/min)
 
M203 X12000.00 Y12000.00 Z600.00 E6000		; set maximum speeds (mm/min)
 
M201 X1500.00 Y1500.00 Z500.00 E3000			; set accelerations (mm/s^2)

Unsolved Strange Blobbing on Layer Change