Print Artifacts
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800 mA is definitely wrong!
Sorry to contradict, but my CR-10 steppers run happily at 800 mA from the very beginning, without ever loosing a single step.
However, I agree with you in that @graybilldustin should check the mechanics, and maybe the steppers are a bit weak for a CoreXY, so I underscore your recommendation:You can also reduce the maximum speed and acceleration in order to get to a workable setup.
@graybilldustin Looking at your sample print, the printer seems to lose steps when re-positioning the printhead, not during extrusion. Try to reduce the max. moving speed in your slicer.
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I turned everything way way down and I get slightly different but similar results:
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@graybilldustin, I suspect you are running into issues of parameters being too low but I have never seen this particular problem. Try bring maximum feed rate of x and y to 50 mm/sec for testing purposes before worrying about speed. Basically your printhead should move painfully slow at this point.
Did you check the mechanics? Did you increase motor current?
One other thing I just thought of - check that all your idlers are running smoothly. You will need to take your belts off for that. When your belts are off this will also allow for better assessment of smooth carriage and gantry movement.
I assume you have not monkeyed with pressure advance yet as this might cause a much reduced extrusion rate at the point where the printer switches direction -
@infiniteloop, are you talking about the current while the motors are in a CR10? The core x/y system requires more power than the cartesian system of the CR10.
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Try and bring your E jerk up to maybe 50.
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@jens55 I forgot to answer that in the last post. Without belts the carriage is so smooth that it moves to one corner under gravity because my workbench is not perfectly level. With the belts on and the set screws of the stepper pulley loose it is still +very smooth and easy to move so I don't think it's that.
The last picture I posted doesn't really seem to have an offset like the first photo did it looked more to me like under extrusion at the end of a move but as I said I have pressure advance turned off. Well I decided to take a look at the PA settings while printing and found out that Prusa Slicer was modifying my PA settings during the print. I didn't even know this was a setting in there but it was set to 0.4 which is way too high for the Hemera hotend I have. I set the PA in Prusa Slicer to 0 until I have time to properly calibrate and now the first layer is looking more like what I would expect so I think I had a combination of skipping steps and bad PA settings. Still a lot of calibration to do but at least i'm now where I expect to be. Thanks for all the input.
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@graybilldustin glad I could help! Good luck !
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The core x/y system requires more power than the cartesian system of the CR10
Exactly. But instead of running the CR-10 steppers hot, it might be better to replace the two XY steppers with more capable ones (like those your Jubilee is equipped with?).
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@infiniteloop yes, that would be the preferred solution and one that would give WAY better speeds and acceleration. I would however suggest that the motors can actually take more than 1000 ma (you are setting peak current in the configuration but the motor rating is RMS) so 1000 mA should be just fine for the motors until replacements can be sourced/afforded.
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@jens55 said in Print Artifacts:
............ The core x/y system requires more power than the cartesian system of the CR10.
How on earth do you come to that conclusion? For any XY move other than at 45 degrees on a CoreXY, both motors contribute to motion thus requiring less power per motor. For 45 degree moves it's only one motor but the belt path of the motor is sqrt2 x the length of the diagonal being printed so there is a gearing effect meaning the available motor torque is effectively increased by a factor of approx 1.4. Again, that's still less power per motor not more. The worse case moving mass on a Corexy is the print head plus the X rail, whereas on a Cartesian it is the print head, plus the bed and it's associated heater, heat spreader and build surface, plus the weight of the part being printed, so likely higher on a Cartesian than a CoreXY.
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@deckingman said in Print Artifacts:
on a CoreXY, both motors contribute to motion thus requiring less power per motor.
True, but in case of fast direction changes (rapid accel of a single stepper), you need a considerable amount of holding torque on the other one. That's at least what I see missing in the OP's first photo.
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@deckingman, my reason is because of the WAY longer belt path on a core xy together with more idlers. While I have never run tests, it just seems to make sense.
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@jens55 The extra weight of longer belts on a core XY is insignificant as is the weight of the moving idlers when compared to the moving mass of a "bed slinger". Couple that with the fact that both motors contibute to motion for anything other than 45 degree moves and the 1.4 gearing effect on those moves means that a CoreXY will always have more torque available than a Cartesian. The only exception might be 45 degree, single motor, high speed moves where, because of the gearing effect, the motor turns faster and could potentially reach the point where the torque curve starts to drop. But it would need to drop to the point where the torque is 1/sqrt2 of peak torque where it might become an issue. On my machine, with my motors, that's about 550mm/sec.
By way of an additional data point, I used to have 6 extruders mounted on a second (UV) gantry above the XY gantry. The moving mass of this set up was circa 3Kgs which I could accelerate at 2000m/sec^2 up to 350mm/ sec using a pair of Nena 17s with quoted torque of 59Ncm..
