Pattern Pressure Advance Calibration
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I took the liberty to submit a feature request (firmware retract) and a small bug report (missing unretract length setting).
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@oliof I don't quite follow the logic behind having a different unretract length. Is that a common thing? Always seemed... bodgy to me. I don't print with large nozzles very often, though, so maybe that's part of it. PA is supposed to help with what you mentioned (needing extra pressure to start), or is that not typically enough?
I think at a certain point it becomes too many settings & too much clutter - it actually had firmware retract and I removed it (and a few other things) to make it leaner. Software retract works for everyone.
Once it starts becoming a wall of settings, it starts to become really overwhelming for new folks.
It's meant to be a quick test with only the features necessary to get it printed, not a full web based slicer with all the same features as your desktop one, y'know?
Hell, I've even thought about getting rid of the Z hop settings and just baking in the 0.1mm z-hop.
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@Ellis I usually use Z hop equal to layer thickness when I use it at all, so with the 1 mm nozzle, it's typically 0.5 or 0.6 mm...
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@mrehorstdmd Hmm, possibly. Might just leave it alone.
Another thing that occured to me, the default print height is 1mm, which could be small for such large nozzles. It has a setting, but it's buried in expert mode then pattern settings. Any thoughts? Maybe do it by layer count instead?
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I think the print it so small that it doesn't really have much opportunity to curl and cause problematic nozzle strikes
No overhangs either -
a) firmware retract is the only way you get proper retract on mixing hotends (2-in-1 like the relatively new tai chi, 3/5-in-1 like the venerable diamond, or 6-in-1 like @deckingmans). Maybe that's not relevant for your PA test.
b) I tend to stick with firmware retract because it's simple to adjust during a print if necessary.different unretract length is not often needed, but it helped me with weird filaments and with large diameter nozzles.
I'd agree that both are ... rare use cases that don't necessarily need to be reflected. But I personally could use them.
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@oliof I'll consider putting them under expert mode
For some background, I went into the 3d printing discord and showed it to some new folks, and they were really confused and overwhelmed, basically. Got a lot of screenshots with "what should I change"?, haha.
That's part of what lead to me trimming the fat like this
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@Ellis I absolutely understand and commend the goal of making this accessible to newcomers. I also do not expect any issue I file to be followed up with (-:
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@oliof
I am curious if the lack of an unretract distance setting causes issue with the test in your case.If so, that seems a valid reason to add it - so let me know how it goes
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@Ellis I've been setting it to 4mm. Should I print taller to look for any particular Z artifacts?
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@mrehorstdmd I think only 3-4 layers are needed, just to ensure that it's decoupled from first layer squish, but you can also print it tall to look at the sides of the walls too!
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New version is printing much better, thanks!
I do wish we could get line width % back though.
You might also consider printing the PA labels at the first layer speed and/or with a thicker line width for readability.
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@CCS86 It's still there! Tick "expert mode" up top
I will reduce glyph speed to first layer speed and see how they print for me -
@Ellis said in Pattern Pressure Advance Calibration:
@CCS86 It's still there! Tick "expert mode" up top
I will reduce glyph speed to first layer speed and see how they print for meAhh, missed that! Didn't notice it added settings to the other categories. Thanks.
Interestingly, testing at 70mm/s I see the sweet spot around 0.037
But at 120mm/s, the best value actually drops to around 0.028
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@CCS86 PA seems to change at different speeds, same story with Klipper - unfortunately nothing can ever be simple, hah.
That's why I usually recommend to tune at your perim speeds, as that's where you will see it most
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Ok, added firmware retracts and slowed the numbering down to first layer speed. They are looking cleaner for me now without having to bump flow
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@Ellis
Ran it a couple times after those changes and it works sweet👌EDIT:
Based on the results it looks like 0.08-0.09 is where i should be, isn't that on the higher side for a direct drive setup(Voron Stealthburner loaded with a Revo Micro and a LGX Lite) ?🤔 -
@Exerqtor that does seem very high. With my LGX lite and Revo on a v0.1 I'm looking around 0.05
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@Exerqtor PETG by chance? If so I've found it to need around double that of ABS/PLA. Abnormally high also can point to a sneaky partial clogs, even though it's still printing
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@Ellis
ABS Pluss (Fiberlogy) actually
@255c i haven't done a coldpull in a while so i could try that and run a new test ofc.
